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1 posted on 12/30/2008 11:22:08 AM PST by vivalaoink
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Abstinence makes the hard grow fonder............


2 posted on 12/30/2008 11:23:00 AM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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Since we already know that's not what the study said, we must ask why the "newsies" said it did ~ or do we. I simply assume the MSM types and their women were and are the furthest thing from abstinence.

They seek validation of their own behavior.

5 posted on 12/30/2008 11:29:49 AM PST by muawiyah
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From the article: 'Taking a pledge doesn't seem to make any difference at all in any sexual behaviour,' said researcher Janet Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland. 'But it does seem to make a striking difference in condom use and other forms of birth control.'

Couldn't find much of what is behind this study, but it does seem to be her area of focus (virginity pledges)

http://bantha.org/~jerboa/

I do know that planned parenthood and other like to push this talking point. Not sure why the British Press would be interested in a US report by a private individual.

SEICUS is a sex positive teaching advocate (FOR active sexuality, it is a birthright, abstinence is unhealthy because it is a supression of sexual desires...)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIECUS

They are affiliated with some of these studies and have a side in this debate. Just saying that it would be nice if someone who comes to this issue WITH a conclusion already in mind were upfront about biases.

8 posted on 12/30/2008 11:31:14 AM PST by weegee ("Let Me Just Cut You Off, Because I Don't Want You To Waste Your Question" - B.Obama Dec 16, 2008)
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I say teach it anyway and maybe a few will abide by it. Obviously people are going to eventually do what they want but if you can save a few than isn’t that worth it?????


10 posted on 12/30/2008 11:32:05 AM PST by napscoordinator
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Newsflash: Chastity is Difficult.

Its being difficult does not make it ridiculous. Courage is difficult. Is it therefore not a virtue?

Sheesh. For some in the media and even in positions of power, thought is clearly difficult. No wonder they quit doing it!

11 posted on 12/30/2008 11:32:31 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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I’d say most teenagers words don’t ring true in most matters.

no shock there.


12 posted on 12/30/2008 11:32:56 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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I dunno. Back in my teenage days, the only “Chastity Pledge” was pledging you were going to lose it before your buddies.


13 posted on 12/30/2008 11:34:34 AM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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From yesterday:

Virginity Pledge Doesn’t Stop Teen Sex

This study is deeply flawed. What else would you expect from liberals with an agenda?

14 posted on 12/30/2008 11:35:51 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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Can’t trust the media or the public education system. They have twisted facts to bash Christians before. I would like to know more aobut the John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland. I’m also curious as to why the article didn’t mention how much money is spent on sex education.


17 posted on 12/30/2008 11:36:38 AM PST by pulaskibush (Thou shalt tax/steal from Peter to help Paul/Pablo is not in the Bible!)
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The Jonas Brothers, a three-piece boy band, are among those vowing to wait until they are married.

I think Britney Spears took that pledge too.

21 posted on 12/30/2008 11:48:51 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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My wife and I abstained until marriage, but that doesn’t mean it was easy. We weren’t exactly pure either. Just because you don’t do “it” doesn’t mean you are somehow “in the clear” if you made a commitment to abstain and still did things close to sex.

I could see why people with even less self-control on that issue could frankly go all the way. I know many who did and are pregnant now.

We never did a stupid pledge. We just knew we wanted to wait for religious reasons. I think the pledge thing is almost a joke, and it really isn’t helpful. Virtually nobody signing those dumb things actually keeps it.


23 posted on 12/30/2008 11:51:29 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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What, we needed a 300 word column? Because even chaste people get horny as a freaking toad. There. I just saved you a ton of paper and ink.


25 posted on 12/30/2008 11:51:47 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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hormones?


31 posted on 12/30/2008 12:03:29 PM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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Certainly, the concept of a “virginity pledge” comes in somewhere on the scale between absurd and useless. If a teen is raised without the moral background to abstain from sex, a pledge won’t help; and if they are raised with that background the pledge is unnecessary.

Regardless, the way these news stories twist and spin you’d think that high schools were forcing their students to make these things. Nonsense, these are private individuals making decisions apart from the state apparatus - something liberals can’t stand.


32 posted on 12/30/2008 12:03:48 PM PST by eclecticEel (In short, I want Obama given the same respect and deference that Democrats have given George Bush)
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B. S.

Where is the study?
What were the criteria?
Where is the rull report of its methodology and results?

33 posted on 12/30/2008 12:06:10 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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media and academia, dutifully preparing the ground for BO to launch a radical Planned Parenthood agenda


35 posted on 12/30/2008 12:18:14 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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How many of these teens felt coerced into the initial pledge? For far less important things, the law (ass though it often is) realizes that it is difficult for teenagers to understand the ramifications of their word being their bond, so contracts with minors are unenforceable. Coercion also works against contract enforceability, even after the age of 18.

I realize this is a different situation, but if these pledges were made under peer, parental, or church pressure, they aren’t going to always stand up when pressures of a different sort come to the fore.

And, before I’m asked, the thought of a virginity pledge was far from my mind when I was a teen.


37 posted on 12/30/2008 12:21:42 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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Something is wrong here.

In 2006, the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health partnered with The Lancet to say that 665,000 Iraqis had been killed since the US occupation began.

“An article in the Wall Street Journal by Steven Moore, who worked as a pollster for the coalition authorities in Iraq, attacked the sampling: “The key to the validity of cluster sampling is to use enough cluster points. In their 2006 report... the Johns Hopkins team says it used 47 cluster points for their sample of 1,849 interviews. This is astonishing: I wouldn’t survey a junior high school, no less an entire country, using only 47 cluster points.”

It is also important to note that: “the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health receives nearly 20 percent of all federal research funds awarded to the 39 U.S. schools of public health.”

Heavily federally funded and using questionable statistical methods?


40 posted on 12/30/2008 12:38:15 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Anyone else sick and tired of these expert reports that tell us how we really live that are based on “surveys” of 1,000 human beings?
Excuse me but there are over 300 million people in the Uited States. I have serious problems with some agenda researcher picking 1000 people asking a few questions then reporting what all those 300 million people are doing or not doing........
Anyone thnk the result of a survey on kids and sex could vary based on location?


45 posted on 12/30/2008 1:20:59 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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Teenagers who vow to remain virgins until they marry are just as likely to have pre-marital sex as other young people, a study has found.


60 posted on 12/31/2008 5:28:54 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Never apologize, Mister. It's a sign of weakness" - Nathan Brittles)
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