How can a fat goateed retard like that keep so many people spellbound with his silly traveling gypsy wagon magic show?
Posted on 12/23/2008 10:29:59 AM PST by lewisglad
Tis the season of empty gestures! Inaugural pastor Rick Warren rewrote his website so it no longer says gays are poison to his congregation. In fact a whole long lecture about gays was deleted.
Here's the old content, via AmericaBlog, via Dave Winer, where Warren explains why gays can't join his church:
This was from a website section called "Small Group Questions About Saddleback Church." The above is part of an answer to the question "What does the Bible say about homosexuality?" Also part of the answer, in the original, was a description of homosexuality as "an enormous sin" and a comparison of being gay to being alcoholic.
Another question encouraged people to tithe to the church even while paying off credit card debts. 10 percent! "The Bible is very clear about believers giving the first 10 percent to the Lord."
Now that Warren has become an embarrassment to the president-elect, everything, the whole stupid section, is gone. Trying to visit the page will either get you a database error or redirected here. Because Warren now realizes his gay-bashing is a manifestation of the vile sin of bigotry and intolerance.
Ha ha, just kidding, he's temporarily shunning his true beliefs to be on television in front of the whole world and gain popularity, sort of like an instrument of the devil, or maybe in this case it's God, or just Rahm Emanuel dressed as an angry, demanding, freak-fingered demon, haunting his bedroom.
Are there no conservatives who will stand up for their beliefs? Why are they so spineless?
sloth......Rick Warren looks DIRTY with those JEANS and goattee.....he CREEPS me out....
You're right. If anyone does their research, they'll see that the article at Gawker.com is pro-gay and anti-Christian; of course they'll want to crucify Warren.
I suspect that not one FReeper will apologize for trashing Warren, for believing the worst about him, for relishing the lies told about him.
The eagerness with which FReepers pile onto the Christian-trashing is pathetic.
This is something that has always perplexed me about FR, and I generally stay off religion threads because of it. Vitriol is the right word. Such venom and hostility toward any Christian leaders. I don't get it.
Sinners should be welcome in his church, they need saving.
It would be wrong to celebrate their sins and pretend they are not sins, however.
Those are temptations for FReepers as well, woollyone.
Just saying.
Maybe you could apologize for your unfounded accusation against Warren.
How can a fat goateed retard like that keep so many people spellbound with his silly traveling gypsy wagon magic show?
Where has Warren compromised his religious beliefs about homosexuality? Have you done your research, or are you taking the word of some pro-gay/anti-Christian website?
This "Gays not Accepted" banner is just another example of hyperventilating from the homosexualists. They are absolutely determined to shove depraved and unnatural behavior down our throats by disguising it under the cloak of "civil rights".
“PASTOR RICK WARREN ADDRESSES MUSLIM GROUP, EMPHASISES NEED TO FIND COMMON GROUND”:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-warren21-2008dec21,0,4070038.story
There is a pattern of Warren being “unequally yoked” which scripture clearly warns to avoid.
You misunderstand.
Warren welcomes sinners of all kinds to attend his church.
He simply doesn’t want those who live in unrepentant sin (e.g., practicing homosexuals, heterosexuals who are living together outside of marriage) to be *members* of his church.
Note that he doesn’t “single out the gays,” as you accuse.
I encourage you to study the concept of church membership ( http://marks.9marks.org/Mark6 is a good place to start) and church discipline ( http://marks.9marks.org/Mark7 is a good place to start).
And cut the demonization, Grunthor. It doesn’t look good on you.
Your concern about “the cross” and “the glory of God” is also puzzling. Your vulgarity and anger do not reflect a life of humble reverence for the cross of Christ or a concern for God’s glory.
I THOUGHT that other picture looked wrong for the quote provided. Thanks for clearing it up.
No, for accusing a man of things he’s not guilty of. For acting like a pack of blood-thirsty wild dogs rather than FReepers. For not doing their research, but rather accepting the slanderous word of a pro-gay/anti-Christian author on a ignoble website.
“Phony preacher”? Warren?
You must be without sin: Go ahead and throw your stones, to your own eternal peril.
http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/maturity/fullstory.asp?id=5492
Question: What does the Bible say about homosexuality?
Answer: The Bible very clearly says that homosexuality is a sin.
"Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin." Lev. 18:22 (TLB)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor 6:9-11 (NIV)
While all sin is destructive, Romans 6 warns us of the great dangers of sexual sin when it says, "Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body." (1 Cor 6:18 NLT) This includes not only homosexuality, but all sexual immorality: adultery, sex outside of marriage and pornography. We must not act as if homosexuality is the only serious sexual sin, and we must not act as if homosexuality is not a serious sexual sin.
I’ve heard it asked, “Isn’t being homosexual something that a person is physically born with?” First of all, there are absolutely no facts to support this claim. From time to time studies have been reported in the news that seemed to indicate this, but every one of these studies has proven to be wrong. Secondly, even if some physical difference were discovered, it would be no excuse for sin. We know that some people can develop a stronger physical addiction to alcohol than others, but that’s obviously no excuse for living an alcoholic lifestyle.
Finally, a word about being judgmental. It’s not judgmental to say that what the Bible calls a sin is a sin, that’s just telling the truth. Not being willing to talk to someone caught up in sin or not believing that they can be forgiven or thinking that you are not just as in need of Jesus as they are... that’s being judgmental.
I am in disagreement with Warren's "gays not welcomed" stance as I believe Christ would welcome them to his church in the hope that they would hear and turn from sin. Of course, the "turn from sin" is the qualifying statement. IOW, welcome the sinner but not the sin. So, for the GLBT community as well as for straight people in unions outside the bonds of marriage, that means celibacy. Period!
An Episcopalian, the remaining conservatives in my church are currently struggling with such a stance with the current Bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire as he is living openly in a homosexual relationship. There is a line in the sand and this is where I personally draw it!
What you’ve written sounds exactly like what they believe and practice. Check out their website — the source of information about that church — to verify. I have.
Seems to me that one of Jesus’ closest companions was a worse sinner than Obama.
“Why do we HAVE to kill every high-profile Christian that makes the news? Why such VITRIOL? Why the need to tear down?””
I think it’s because our culture has been conditioned by 40+ years of entertainment to believe that Christians are either stupid, evil or both. You can show your hipness by calling them down - much like the mind-numned masses did to the image of Goldstein projected at the rallies in 1984.
I’m afraid that too many preachers or “pastors” today have come to the place where they use “their” pulpits and churches as little more than “cash cows” and stick the majority of the Lord’s money in their own hip pockets - all the while justifying themselves with assurances that they’re doing the “Lord’s work”. . even small country churches get ensnared in this trap. We had one like that who was getting started pushing Warren’s books and programs when we left his glorified ATM “machine” - barely before that situation almost caused a divorce in my family.
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