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Water vapor's effects on atmosphere are debated
San Luis Obispo Tribune ^ | Dec. 21, 2008 | GREG GORDON

Posted on 12/21/2008 9:05:03 PM PST by neverdem

Ron Ace's idea to cool the planet by evaporating water could provoke controversy because it collides head-on with a concern of environmental scientists: that water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas.

A recent Texas A&M University study, based on satellite data from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, warned that if water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to rise, it "could guarantee" an increase of several degrees Celsius in the Earth's temperatures over the next century.

These scientists warned of potential "positive feedback," in which water vapor traps heat near the surface, the warmer temperatures cause increasing ocean surface water to evaporate, producing even more water vapor, further heightening the trapping effect and beginning the cycle anew.

Kenneth Caldeira, a climate scientist for the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology at Stanford University whose computer simulation of Ace's invention suggests it would significantly cool the planet, said that scientists are still trying to sort out the complicated role of water vapor.

Among its mixed effects:

-It absorbs latent heat near the earth's surface and transports it to higher altitudes, for a cooling effect.

-When it condenses at higher altitudes, it releases the latent heat, which then can radiate into space, producing more cooling.

-It's a greenhouse gas, trapping heat and causing warming.

-It can form low clouds that reflect solar energy, a cooling effect.

-It can form more high clouds, which block some sunlight but mostly prevent the release of infrared radiation from below, another warming effect.

Robert Park, a retired University of Maryland physics professor, said scientists are right to worry that water vapor and other greenhouse gases could lead to thermal runaway - a cycle where two or more factors feed off another to propel temperatures higher - but that no one has proved that it's occurring because the atmosphere is so complex.

"This is what makes climate such a horrendously difficult thing to calculate ... by far the most difficult calculation that man has ever attempted," Park said.

Ace hopes that his global cooling invention will help settle the matter.

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The Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology: http://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/CIWDGE.HTML


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KEYWORDS: agw; atmosphere; climatechange; globalcooling; globalwarming; watervapor
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IIRC, Kenneth Caldeira had a guest OpEd column in the NY Times in which he proposed putting an aerosol of sulfate compounds into the atmosphere to halt "global warming." I posted it a year or two ago, but I can't find it.
1 posted on 12/21/2008 9:05:05 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
A nonsensical, expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Which Democrat came up with this?
2 posted on 12/21/2008 9:07:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: neverdem

What we need is an inter-dimensional matter bridge to siphon off excess heat from the Earth into a parallel universe.


3 posted on 12/21/2008 9:09:11 PM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: neverdem

Tinfoil!

If we really believed Global Warming was true and a problem, we could spew millions of flakes of really small tinfoil into orbit, deflecting sun rays.

Stupid idea (since GW is a fraud), but I’ve heard of scientists who believe it would work.


4 posted on 12/21/2008 9:12:36 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Women were treated like livestock by Mohammad, so Allah must want women treated like cows forever.)
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To: neverdem
Ron Ace's idea to cool the planet by evaporating water could provoke controversy because it collides head-on with a concern of environmental scientists: that water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas.

Shut down Congress for the next four years. Gas gone, problem solved.


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5 posted on 12/21/2008 9:18:26 PM PST by JCG
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To: neverdem

These people are insane.

It is not rational to take them seriously.


6 posted on 12/21/2008 9:23:24 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: neverdem
I propose that we start a Bigfoot (Sasquatch) breeding program, they are so rare and near Extinction that a simple Government Program like the “Endangered Species Act” is not enough, a Trillion $ is probably not enough, but if we spend 900 Million now we may be able to save the Economy and the Planet. We can kick in another 7 or 8 Billion later along with very strict Gun Control Laws enacted later to make sure that this will work.

Save the Planet!

7 posted on 12/21/2008 9:25:59 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Just have all the tinfoil hats put the shiny side out and reflect all that sunlight (as well as have alien mind probes deflected).


8 posted on 12/21/2008 9:33:07 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: xcamel; steelyourfaith

Shiny-side-out/shiny-side-in tin-foil hat AGW conflict ping.


9 posted on 12/21/2008 9:47:37 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: JCG
You wish. I wish, too, for that matter.

Problem is, water is made by cars with catalytic converters. They take the exhaust gases and convert some of the biproducts into water. Check out exhaust pipes; you'll see water dripping out every so often. We've been making water vapor for years. When I was a kid, I was told that there's the same amount of water on earth now that there was when it was made. Not that way now.

10 posted on 12/21/2008 10:49:06 PM PST by Othniel (Kirk: Don't trust them. Don't believe them. Spock: They're dying. Kirk: LET THEM DIE.)
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To: neverdem
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Just a little off color humor.
11 posted on 12/21/2008 10:49:22 PM PST by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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To: neverdem
Condensation trails add to water vapor. The Global Warming crowd doesn't like that idea at all, as limits on jet travel would affect the political class disproportionally, and doesn't give them money and power from everybody else.


12 posted on 12/21/2008 11:06:49 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

Cool photo!

Pun intented.


13 posted on 12/22/2008 3:17:45 AM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant penguin on my Head")
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To: neverdem

I think they should run with the “Giant Mirrors” idea myself. Putting gas suppressing diapers on cows is another great idea, as well as powering cars with cow “emissions”.

But they had better hurry, MANBEARPIG says that the ice caps will be completely gone in just 5 years. I suggest they panic and begin voluntary euthanasia among those who believe this insanity. That would be the very BEST solution to this problem. Starting with ALGORE.


14 posted on 12/22/2008 3:35:56 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; ...
Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

15 posted on 12/22/2008 3:45:44 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: SubMareener
As a side effect we could use the freeze lightning byproduct as a source of low cost snow-cones.
16 posted on 12/22/2008 4:20:55 AM PST by Anvilhead (Dammit Jim, I'm an Ameri-can not an Ameri-can't.)
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To: neverdem
"...water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas."

Whoops! There go the alternative-energy hydrogen fueled autos!

17 posted on 12/22/2008 4:53:20 AM PST by NoPrisoners ("Take no prisoners!" -T.E. Lawrence)
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To: neverdem
Congress must immediately implement new laws to reduce water vapor emissions and start a system of trading water vapor credits. Our planet is in peril!!! (sarcasm)

However with an EPA proposed rule to tax cow and pig farts taxing water vapor can't be too far off.

18 posted on 12/22/2008 6:26:46 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Othniel
"water is made by cars with catalytic converters"

The byproducts of combustion are CO2 and H2O. Combusting gasoline creates CO2 and H20.

19 posted on 12/22/2008 6:55:33 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: neverdem

There is a simple way of testing this theory. We could flood a large portion of the earth’s surface with water (say 3/4’s of it), and then allow the sunlight to evaporate this water. If the result is catastrophic heating, the theory is proven correct. Oh, wait...........


20 posted on 12/22/2008 7:39:34 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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