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Crossing the Rubicon
Focal Point USA ^ | 12/20/2008 | Chris Allen

Posted on 12/20/2008 4:53:49 PM PST by Paige

Forty nine years before Christ was born, Emperor Julius Caesar violated the law by leading his troops across the Rubicon river to invade ancient Rome, and a civil war ensued. Leading the troops across the Rubicon was considered an act of war. From that point forward, nothing was the same, there was no going back and conflict was unavoidable. Caesar himself recognized this fact and was said to have stated "alea iacta est," or "the die is cast." The United States Supreme Court, by making NO statement on the issues of Barack Hussein Obama's eligibility for the Presidency, has conspired with half of the nation to render the Constitution, the supposedly inviolate code of law protecting each of us, meaningless. This is the point of no return; an act of war declared against all our laws represent, our way of life.

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To: MathDoc

No, his blackmail would be the worst possible kind. Its one thing to blackmail over criminality. That is relatively no big deal.

This blackmail is indefensible. He’s done. He would be out of office within a couple of days.

John


21 posted on 12/20/2008 5:37:22 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Paige

Sorry, forgot the sarcasm tag on the last paragraph.


22 posted on 12/20/2008 5:49:38 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Funny we never hear about the names of the Roman political parties. Thanks.


23 posted on 12/20/2008 5:51:24 PM PST by ichabod1 (Reagan wouldÂ’ve fired them.)
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To: Diggity
No, his blackmail would be the worst possible kind. Its one thing to blackmail over criminality. That is relatively no big deal. This blackmail is indefensible. He’s done. He would be out of office within a couple of days.

Don't misunderstand me. If Obama is not a natural born citizen, then he is barred by the Constitution from taking office, and I would be thrilled if that requirement saved our country from him. My point is that his supporters don't care, and neither does the Congress (which has the sole power to try such questions). You can't blackmail someone if he and his supporters don't care, and short of a revolution (which they are incapable of believing would be initiated to stop an illegitimate socialist from taking our private property), they have no reason to care.

24 posted on 12/20/2008 5:53:52 PM PST by MathDoc (Don't blame me, I voted for Governor Palin and the wrinkly white-haired guy)
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To: Felis_irritable

In other words, the American people are more stupid than a high-school adminstration?

The Republic is doomed.


25 posted on 12/20/2008 5:58:05 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: ichabod1
My source for the political relationships is "Party Politics In The Age Of Caesar" by Lilly Ross Taylor. It's actually an amusing read. Keep in mind, the author is a turn of the 20th century southern belle who taught at Vassar and Bryn Mawr and who doesn't really seem to have a clue about politics at the knife level. Her other books focus on Roman theology.

Please do NOT read this as your only source for Roman history. Follow up with Salust, Caesar and Tacitus (and if you enjoy the writing of Ann Coulter, Suetonius.)

Please note, there was an element of sarcasm in the parenthetical statement above.

26 posted on 12/20/2008 6:13:13 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: Gondring
The Republic is doomed.

That's sort of what I was trying to say in post 15 above. But yours is much more succinct.

27 posted on 12/20/2008 6:17:33 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: MathDoc

They would care if they knew for certain that he had been a deceiver. Soros would be pissed big time for investing all that dough into someone not even eligible lol.

Besides in a matter like this, of this sort, it wouldn’t matter if they didn’t care. As soon as proven without a doubt even to partisans like Chris Mathews, he would be out of office in a day or so.


28 posted on 12/20/2008 6:20:13 PM PST by Diggity
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Did you find that history in "Bread and Circuses" by Sir Kensis Pan, M.A.?

References:
Pan, M.A., Sir Kensis. 2008. "Bread and Circuses" Juvenile Satires 10:77-81.

29 posted on 12/20/2008 6:29:31 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Diggity
I've been saying for sometime now the way to influence the Supreme Court is to impeach someone. Of course I thought at one time it would be best to go for one from each side of the ideological isle, but that would be much harder to push for, especially now.
Just imagine the uproar if conservatives pressed this soon to be all liberal government to impeach Justices Scalia and Thomas.
Off with their heads! Why would that hurt us? They don't respect our constitution anymore than the liberal justices in practice.
If Americans will ever wake up to our failed and failing government, shock therapy might be the best hope we have.
Go ahead Obama, appoint away. We have no higher authority so why fool ourselves?
It would be interesting if nothing else to see the congressional libs defending these conservative justices, knowing full well that impeaching any of them for not upholding the constitution, would make their whole house of cards shaky at best.

Or maybe not. But seriously, how is it that these people cannot see their moment in history has just passed, and that they failed every principle they might have stood for, except of course looking after their own rear ends. Why do we need these "original intent" justices who are simple cowards and the farthest thing from leaders or thinkers anyway?

30 posted on 12/20/2008 6:33:02 PM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Paige; All

I would have entitled this piece: “US Supreme Court Declares War… on US.”


31 posted on 12/20/2008 6:35:21 PM PST by Pablo Mac
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To: Gondring
In other words, the American people are more stupid than a high-school adminstration?

Well I hadn't thought of it that way, but yes, you appear to be correct, and we're screwed.

32 posted on 12/20/2008 6:48:26 PM PST by Felis_irritable (Dirty_Felis_Irritable...)
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To: Gondring
Did you find that history in "Bread and Circuses" by Sir Kensis Pan, M.A.?

No. I've actually never read Pan. Is he good?

I've read some of Juvenal (not into satire but anybody Domitian kicks out of town is worth a read). My favorite sources for the period are Tacitus, Plutarch and Suetonius and when I can stomach him Cicero - great lawyer, lousy writer, or maybe it was just the translator.

Tacitus didn't like the Julio Claudians and detested the Flavians who came after them because they messed with his father in-law. Plutarch was a Greek trying to tell the Romans how Greek they actually were. Suetonius was the Emperor Hadrian's private secretary (at least until he got fired for hitting on the Emperor's wife). Suetonius' history has to be read in the context that it was to a certain extent propaganda directed against the old regime.

Only a handful of ancient sources have survived and all of those has to be understood in terms of the prejudices of the writers. Kind of like modern history.

33 posted on 12/20/2008 7:00:06 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: Pablo Mac

Welcome to New Kenya! (Africa U.S.A.)

“Where the law of the jungle has replaced the Law of the Land”

This will be resolved. Peacefully or not.


34 posted on 12/20/2008 7:35:34 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Paige

The United States Supreme Court, by making NO statement on the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility for the Presidency, has conspired with half of the nation to render the Constitution, the supposedly inviolate code of law protecting each of us, meaningless.
***Interesting proposition, but I take issue with the word “conspired”. The SCOTUS isn’t conspiracy central. If they do not rule on this issue, it’s because they are cowards, not conspirators. They’re hired to preserve & protect the constitution, and they get a lifetime job as the buffer between them and the political fads that cross the nation. But they’re human, and they could easily throw out the baby with the bathwater. Even that lifetime employment thingie might not be enough for them to do the right thing. Half of them right now are possibly putting their fingers to the wind, judging who would riot over this issue. If zer0bama gets DQ’d, the blacks riot and they look bad. If they throw out that one little itty bitty “technicality” in the constitution, they might think that we constitutionalists are not rowdy enough to cross the Rubicon. What they may be neglecting is that by throwing out the constitution, they throw themselves under the same bus.


35 posted on 12/20/2008 7:45:00 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Lily Ross Taylor was born in 1886 in Alabama and killed in 1969 by a hit-and-run driver. Her book Party Politics in the Age of Caesar was originally a series of public lectures given at UC Berkeley in 1947 when she was Sather Professor there--so aimed not only at fellow classicists but at the educated public.

Caesar was never "emperor" as the term is used now, although he was saluted as imperator (victorious general) by his troops (and that's where the word "emperor" comes from). He crossed the Rubicon in 49 B.C., but that was probably less than 49 years before the birth of Jesus. What doomed the Republic was not so much his crossing the Rubicon but his winning the civil war that followed.

36 posted on 12/20/2008 7:59:03 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kevmo
It is a big bus. And under here ain't so bad, huh? There's nine seats for nine gutless wonders. I guess it's nice that they stick together like that. Couldn't have them mixing with the common folk.

Just wouldn't seem right. Us being us, and them being them and all.

37 posted on 12/20/2008 8:04:04 PM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

The SC won’t touch this issue in any serious manner. They were really burned by the nasty reaction to the first Bush election decision. (That’s one of the left’s major tactics, BTW. They attack and demonize, and never, never quit attacking and demonizing, to the extent that the object of their attention becomes a LOT more cautious next time around. It works, doesn’t it?) The Supremes simply won’t risk the beating they would take from the left and the left’s toadies in the press and also the potential for riots if they found Obama ineligible to serve as pres. They won’t deal with this, and they don’t care AT ALL what the truth is.


38 posted on 12/20/2008 8:18:10 PM PST by Irene Adler (')
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To: Paige
The United States Supreme Court,... has conspired with half of the nation...
Usually when someone tells me about a conspiracy that most of the country is in on, they're some medication they forgot to take.
39 posted on 12/20/2008 9:13:10 PM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: Verginius Rufus

Salve Vergini.

Just think, if I’d gone to Cal 30 years earlier I could have seen those lectures. I don’t remember reading that she lectured there or the manner of her death.

A lot of things led to bringing down down the Republic, probably starting with the Gracci killings, the Sula and Marius proscriptions, etc. The Civil War was just the last act.


40 posted on 12/20/2008 10:12:32 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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