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Going down down down down Crude Oil 38.59 -1.47
Kitco ^ | Dec 18 2008 | Kitco

Posted on 12/18/2008 10:18:13 AM PST by dennisw

Crude is down no matter what OPEC does Because no matter what promises each member makes to limit production and reduce production......

You have a situation where where each OPEC member has to pump and sell much much more to pay for their hare brained schemes. Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad come to mind. Pooty is hurting too


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bubblin; bubbling; bublin; crude; energy; jethro; oil; screwhugo; screwopec; screwpooty
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To: dennisw
In 1967, gasoline cost $0.36 per gallon.

In today's dollars that equals $2.13 per gallon. So at $1.63 per gallon (local) gasoline is a bargin.

81 posted on 12/18/2008 11:45:17 AM PST by Obadiah (NOMR! - Not One More RINO!)
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To: Grampa Dave

It’s a great feeling to see your regular expenditures drop so quickly like this.


82 posted on 12/18/2008 11:45:36 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: mel
The claim that the industry has peaked started just before the turn of the century.......that's the Nineteenth Century?
83 posted on 12/18/2008 11:46:19 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marsoc Dad)
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To: Alberta's Child

Very good post, Dennis! .....
You are much smarter than me but lets say you live in China and made 10$ million operating a flat screen TV factory. You will not invest that all in China or re-invest that all back in your factory. Simply too much cheating there. Less rule of law

If I’m this Chinese guy I will diversify abroad and buy TBills in America. Previously these “wise guys” would buy property in US China towns but real estate is awful now. When you seek safety the USD is very good. The Euro and Canadian dollar would also look good. And the safest way to buy into them is via the Central government’s debt issues


84 posted on 12/18/2008 11:51:26 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: dennisw

Keep going down until the ragheads have to pay us to use it.


85 posted on 12/18/2008 11:51:41 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Recent graduate of the Road Rage Tractor Trailer Driving Acedemy.)
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To: dennisw

How much to put it back in the ground?


86 posted on 12/18/2008 11:51:50 AM PST by onedoug
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To: dennisw
Please -- I'm not smarter than you at all! LOL.

Excellent point re: foreign investors who seek shelter in U.S. government securities. I had some clients from Hong Kong who told me the exact same thing years ago.

"You have no idea how corrupt and dysfunctional that place is," they'd tell me. Their particular concern involved the lack of private property rights and complete disregard for patent/copyright rights in China.

87 posted on 12/18/2008 12:18:07 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: varmintman
If we started drilling right now we could collapse it to ten or twenty bucks a barrel.

Then we can debate bailing out Exxon...

88 posted on 12/18/2008 12:19:23 PM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Dixie Yooper

If they could produce something for five or ten bucks and sell it for twenty or thirty you’re claiming they’d go under??


89 posted on 12/18/2008 12:25:31 PM PST by varmintman
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To: Star Traveler

Now when did I say that?


90 posted on 12/18/2008 12:30:09 PM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: varmintman

I’m saying that they can’t produce it for that low without losing their shirts, unless the cost of everything including labor comes down with it.


91 posted on 12/18/2008 12:41:28 PM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Star Traveler
Well, if you’re talking about “making a profit” — it’s because it’s cheaper to pay for that barrel of oil than the barrel that you drill for and take out of the ground here... LOL...

Close. The reason why no drill is because it is not a matter of the expense of drill, drill, drill. Oil companies made big money when price of oil was a lot less than now and could do it again with domestic drilling.

The real reason is because before they can drill, drill, drill they must file, file, file to satisfy EPA and myriad other eco-regs.

Lot cheaper to pay some sand maggots for black gold than to pay lawyers for filling out paper and appearing before panels and being bad-mouthed in the MSM.

IOW - Congress once again has ham-strung an industry with their stupidity and has forced us to be dependent on the whims of potentates who want to air condition beaches and build indoor snow skiing facilities.

Same with manufacturing. Minimum wage laws. No minimum wage laws overseas. Good-bye jobs.

Same with automobiles that Congress who has never run a business or built anything orders car makers to build their product and run their business with a blueprint for failure.

92 posted on 12/18/2008 12:47:40 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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To: N. Theknow

You said — “Close. The reason why no drill is because it is not a matter of the expense of drill, drill, drill. Oil companies made big money when price of oil was a lot less than now and could do it again with domestic drilling.”

Well, if I was not clear, I guess it was probably implied in my comment that I was including the price of oil to the end point of delivering it (i.e., including all the costs).

Now, here’s the thing..., since posters on Free Republic were talking about being able to drill more for oil here (in the U.S. and before the drop in prices) and it was thought (at least, according to the comments and the news articles) that the door was opened to that possibility (the Democrats not opposing it) — then it could be said that at $40 a barrel it is a *much worse* proposition than it was at $140 a barrel.

You see..., the same things that were “operational” back then at $140 a barrel and the hoops that one would have to “jump through” to get this done (i.e., drilling for more oil) — would be the same hoops as right now. But, the economics are much, much worse now.

So, that’s why I would put the emphasis on the *price* of a barrel of oil as the critical factor, rather than the hoops that the companies have to jump through (because it was the same hoops that everyone was talking about a number of months ago at $140 a barrel).


93 posted on 12/18/2008 1:52:23 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: shankbear

You said — “Now when did I say that?”

I have no earthly idea... LOL.. I guess that’s a problem with having too many windows open at one time. I can’t even figure out how you got there... :-)


94 posted on 12/18/2008 1:55:39 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: ignorancerunsrampant

Thanks, Forrest.


95 posted on 12/18/2008 3:11:43 PM PST by shaft29 (Just your typical black woman.)
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To: dennisw

Goin’ Down 1983 style...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPirYDvwM30

Music to read this thread by.


96 posted on 12/18/2008 3:44:09 PM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt; weegee

That drunken tard Ron Wood missed his cue
but great video and tune was written by Don something or other

And the singer looked like a Small Face


97 posted on 12/18/2008 4:08:39 PM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

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98 posted on 12/18/2008 4:50:47 PM PST by 31R1O ("Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life."- Immanuel Kant)
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To: Xenalyte; All

I haven’t heard anything about our stockpile of emergency oil reserves lately. Does anyone know if we are buying up all that cheap oil that is under $40/barrel and filling up the underground caverns? Would be a good time to do it in MHO.


99 posted on 12/18/2008 5:05:12 PM PST by Evil Slayer (Sarah Palin reminds me of the story about David and Goliath (1 Samuel 17:1-11, 41-50)
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To: 31R1O
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100 posted on 12/18/2008 5:52:18 PM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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