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Soda Sin Tax: Does This Make Sense?: Will it reduce obesity? Burden the poor?
Daily Green Busybody ^ | December 17, 2008 | Marion Nestle

Posted on 12/17/2008 5:40:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

Governor Paterson says he can raise $404 million in state revenues with a 15% tax on soft drinks (but not diet sodas, juices, milk, or water).

The relevant section of the statute reads:

"Create Sales Tax on Soft Drinks. Imposes an additional 18 percent rate of sales and compensating use taxes on fruit drinks that contain less than seventy percent of natural fruit juice and non-dietetic soft drinks, sodas and beverages. By increasing the price, it will discourage individuals, especially children and teenagers, from excessive consumption of these beverages. Revenues will be directed for health care initiatives."

And here’s the American Beverage Association’s predictable response: hurts the middle class, nobody wants it, no science or logic behind it.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. For example, the maker of a carbonated juice drink wrote me to complain that her product, which is 50% juice and taxable, contains under 70 calories per 8-ounces in comparison to non-taxed 100% fruit juice at 110 calories/8 ounces. Obesity is about calories, no? Or is it really about the kinds of products people habitually drink?

I’m curious to know what you think of this idea. Please weigh in.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: nannystate; newyork; socialengineering
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To: Eric Blair 2084

No more beef if Britain hopes to cut carbon emissions:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5323615.ece


101 posted on 12/17/2008 8:17:44 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: lacrew
Diabetes - the culprit is corn sweetener.

What's in corn sweetener? Why is it worse than sugar?

102 posted on 12/17/2008 8:19:56 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (This is morning, that's when I spend the most time, thinking 'bout what I've given up...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What's in corn sweetener?

Duh!


103 posted on 12/17/2008 8:22:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: lacrew
I think we are going to disagree on this as much as doctors do.

I went to school with a lot of people who are MD's now. They never did get enough training in chemistry and nutrition.

My point is that it isn’t a settled matter that artificial sweeteners are good for you.

"Good" is a relative term. Too much of anything can be bad for you. People die from drinking too much water. Artificial sweeteners are demonized by people with an agenda or those who don't really understand enough about chemistry, physiology and nutrition.

Diabetes - the culprit is corn sweetener.

You must be joking. Are you referring to corn syrup or high fructose corn syrup? HFCS is made up of the same two chemicals, in almost identical proportions, as regular old table sugar. Corn syrup is mostly glucose. How are either of these responsible for diabetes?

Its not sugar anymore, its corn; and, its terrible for you.

Corn is bad? Uh, ok. Why?

Its not just in the soda - its in bread, jelly, salad dressing, mayo, peanut butter, kids cereal, etc.

It's gotta be sweetened by something. If not sugar, then why not HFCS? Both are made up of glucose and fructose. Over the past 30 or so years, HFCS has replaced sugar on a nearly one-for-one basis. I still don't see how one can be bad for you while the other one isn't.

Why? Corn subsidy and sugar tariffs. Both parties are to blame - but gov tinkering has destroyed the american diet.

If we weren't protecting sugar we'd be eating sugar instead of HFCS and we'd still be getting glucose and fructose. Again, how can one be bad for you and the other not?

I just hate the idea of the government telling me what is healthy (and I reserve my right to be very skeptical of artificial sweeteners).

Government knows less than most but at least the FDA doesn't give in to the know nothing charlatans spreading their junk science. Feel free to be skeptical of artificial sweeteners but at least learn enough to understand why you harbor that skepticism.

104 posted on 12/17/2008 8:36:57 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I’ve had food with high fructose corn syrup in it and it didn’t taste like corn one bit. Which is too bad because I love corn.


105 posted on 12/17/2008 8:37:13 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (This is morning, that's when I spend the most time, thinking 'bout what I've given up...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Why is it worse than sugar?

It just is. Corn is evil.

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Duh!

106 posted on 12/17/2008 8:42:00 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
When they make HFCS the corn proteins are broken down so thoroughly that it no longer resembles corn in any way. Even people with corn allergies have nothing to fear from high fructose corn syrup. But I'm guessing you already knew that.
107 posted on 12/17/2008 8:44:30 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

Give me 20 lbs of butter and some salt and I’ll battle that evil.


108 posted on 12/17/2008 8:46:03 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (This is morning, that's when I spend the most time, thinking 'bout what I've given up...)
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To: Mase
But I'm guessing you already knew that.

It's true, I'm guilty of knowing at least a little bit of science.

109 posted on 12/17/2008 8:47:10 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (This is morning, that's when I spend the most time, thinking 'bout what I've given up...)
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To: Mase

"I knew there was something evil in there! Can't be corn, cause corn is niiiice!"

110 posted on 12/17/2008 8:48:12 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Thanks for the ping!


111 posted on 12/17/2008 9:14:33 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: lacrew
every decade or so, a new artificial sweetener turns out to be cancer causing

I'd like to see a test where one group of lab mice gets the "cancer-causing" dose of an artificial sweetener, and the other group gets an equivalent quantity of refined white sugar.

Let's see which group lives longer.

112 posted on 12/17/2008 9:20:08 PM PST by Notary Sojac
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To: zadox

**It lasted all of a year before it was repealed. This soda tax may pass but it will face the same fate..**

ONLY ONCE was a NY Tax Repealed or LOWERED ... and that was because of a MISTAKE made by the Assembly in NY. I need a bumbersticker saying:

NY... Can’t afford to LIVE HERE, Can’t afford to MOVE!


113 posted on 12/17/2008 9:28:09 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's "1984" .. to Conservatives- a WARNING, to Liberals - a TEXTBOOK)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Tax Kool-Aid and watch the city burn.


114 posted on 12/17/2008 9:29:35 PM PST by Globalist Goon ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: ichabod1

**Aspartame is poison.**

Then I should have been dead 20 years ago...


115 posted on 12/17/2008 9:34:13 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's "1984" .. to Conservatives- a WARNING, to Liberals - a TEXTBOOK)
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To: robomatik
i have an idea too. let's charge 50 cents to activate a walk sign at a crosswalk.

I'm actually on board with that idea if it includes a tax cut. Maybe a cut in the vehicl licensing fee for SUVs...that'll really drive the nanny staters nuts.

116 posted on 12/17/2008 9:41:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: ScreamingFist

I cared, and I’ve never smoked a single cig.


117 posted on 12/17/2008 9:43:19 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Will88

Social engineering has no place in a free society.


118 posted on 12/17/2008 9:48:25 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: TheWasteLand

At least kittens aren’t full of trans fats and high fructose corn syrup.


119 posted on 12/17/2008 9:49:37 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: DannyTN
I'm ok with taxing unhealthful activities or products. But they have to have the science right, and too often it's based on junk science.

How is it consistent with a free society for the government to make people live a certain approved lifestyle.

120 posted on 12/17/2008 9:54:12 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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