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Soda Sin Tax: Does This Make Sense?: Will it reduce obesity? Burden the poor?
Daily Green Busybody ^ | December 17, 2008 | Marion Nestle

Posted on 12/17/2008 5:40:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

Governor Paterson says he can raise $404 million in state revenues with a 15% tax on soft drinks (but not diet sodas, juices, milk, or water).

The relevant section of the statute reads:

"Create Sales Tax on Soft Drinks. Imposes an additional 18 percent rate of sales and compensating use taxes on fruit drinks that contain less than seventy percent of natural fruit juice and non-dietetic soft drinks, sodas and beverages. By increasing the price, it will discourage individuals, especially children and teenagers, from excessive consumption of these beverages. Revenues will be directed for health care initiatives."

And here’s the American Beverage Association’s predictable response: hurts the middle class, nobody wants it, no science or logic behind it.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. For example, the maker of a carbonated juice drink wrote me to complain that her product, which is 50% juice and taxable, contains under 70 calories per 8-ounces in comparison to non-taxed 100% fruit juice at 110 calories/8 ounces. Obesity is about calories, no? Or is it really about the kinds of products people habitually drink?

I’m curious to know what you think of this idea. Please weigh in.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
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I'll weigh in, Marion. I'm 5'10" 160 pounds. I'm on your side here. Let's spread the misery around. Why should I as a taxpayer in a collectivist, Socialist state have to pay for the diabetes and high blood pressure medication caused by obesity?

They got the smokers, why not the overweight? Next, we'll move on to the ugly.

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1 posted on 12/17/2008 5:40:02 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I would like to see a chart comparing New York’s Governor to Alaska’s.


2 posted on 12/17/2008 5:44:13 PM PST by allmost
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Yet more of the left’s attempts to tax to death the poor who are the largest consumers of junk food.


3 posted on 12/17/2008 5:46:33 PM PST by South40
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To: Eric Blair 2084
i have an idea too. let's charge 50 cents to activate a walk sign at a crosswalk.

let's force businesses to charge 25 cents to open sliding entry doors.

let's charge everyone a sidewalk tax, an air tax, a tax on broccoli, etc.

this is, of course, what the framers had in mind... right?

4 posted on 12/17/2008 5:46:47 PM PST by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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But we where told that they will stop at smoking..


5 posted on 12/17/2008 5:47:41 PM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Nobody cared when they taxed cigarettes, now I don’t care when they tax soda, hamburgers or Kentucky Fried Chicken......


6 posted on 12/17/2008 5:48:59 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

In other news, Big Brother has determined that the chocolate ration must be decreased in March.


7 posted on 12/17/2008 5:51:32 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I consume diet soda with the once-in-a-while Starbucks. But I really don’t care. I don’t live in NY anymore.


8 posted on 12/17/2008 5:51:49 PM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

funny thing is, the libs are against the fair tax, but when they tax basic goods they reduce the overall percentage of taxes paid by the rich. oops.


9 posted on 12/17/2008 5:53:27 PM PST by jjw
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Obesity is a "symptom", not a "cause". There's already enough information on the matter to conclude that Type II diabetes is pretty much a genetic disease ~ .

Turns out carbohydrates are more difficult for the digestive system of diabetics to handle.

Frankly, I'd go for a flat out ban on carbohydrates in the schools. Make the kids eat more meat and cheese ~ cut out the useless breads and cakes.

10 posted on 12/17/2008 5:53:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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Marion Nestle is ahead of her time and has an ironic name. They laughed at John Banzhaf 35 years ago when all he wanted was some non smoking sections on airplanes. That's not much to ask for. We'll stop there. Once this passes, and it will, the next step for cash hungry states is a fast food tax on McDonalds, Burger King, Jack in the Box, White Castle et al. I remember smoking a cigarette in these places back in the 80's before they kicked me out. Now it's your turn Big Burger and the overweight. I'll defend Marion here. I'll make the case for her.

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11 posted on 12/17/2008 5:55:32 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

What these morons fail to realize is the soft drink companies will raise the price of diet drinks so all soft drinks are equal price at retail

Diet drinks cost considerly more to produce and when people start drinking more diets the soft drink companies will make less money so they will raise the price to make up the difference


12 posted on 12/17/2008 5:55:41 PM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: ScreamingFist

I’m not proud of myself either. It’s called Schadenfreude.


13 posted on 12/17/2008 5:57:18 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Popman

You can bet on it.


14 posted on 12/17/2008 5:58:03 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“I’m curious to know what you think of this idea. Please weigh in.”

I’m thinking that NY just lost all the dollars we used to spend there on our semi-annual pass-through. :)


15 posted on 12/17/2008 5:58:17 PM PST by Mrs. Ranger (lamenting the death of "common sense")
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To: Popman
What these morons fail to realize is the soft drink companies will raise the price of diet drinks so all soft drinks are equal price at retail Diet drinks cost considerly more to produce and when people start drinking more diets the soft drink companies will make less money so they will raise the price to make up the difference

That's good. There is a lot of high fructose corn syrup even in the diet soda. We'll get them next. The price will go up which will make the evil soda companies less money.

Sincerely,

Marion Nestle

16 posted on 12/17/2008 6:00:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Mrs. Ranger

I was going to post the NY Post Article. The best thing were the comments. The jist of it was leave your socialist disease up there and don't move down to _______ (TN, SC, GA, TX, WY, MT) and infect us. Check out the comments. I'll copy and paste a few here because they were better than the article.

GOV'S TAX & SPEND SHOCKER ADDS 137 HIKES WHILE INCREASING BUDGET TO $121B

17 posted on 12/17/2008 6:05:41 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Diet soda is actually correlated more with obesity than regular soda.

At least heavy consumption of diet soda is, iirc.

18 posted on 12/17/2008 6:05:54 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Dear media: Palin is pure as Alaska snow - it's OBAMA who was "NEVER VETTED" !)
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To: KevinDavis

“But we where told that they will stop at smoking..”

I’m a former smoker. About twenty years ago I worked with an overweight guy who liked to criticize smokers and he was all for tobacco taxes, smoke free areas, etc. I’d occasionally tell him that some day they’d get around to the overweight, and that I thought that there should be a surcharge for the overweight added to all airline tickets since the limitation on plane cargo is weight as much or more than volume.

He thought I was just making something up for the heck of it. But I really believed the day would come because we have a big element of self-righteous, know-it-all little Stalins in our society and they’ll eventually get around to most anything one could imagine if they’re allowed to keep it up.

Having said that, I don’t object to a tax on items that do have a social and real cost to taxpayers; such as alcohol, tobacco, and sugar. Sugar will some day be proven to be far more harmful than either alcohol or tobacco. These taxes (if reasonable) don’t prevent anyone from their indulgences, and there is a real cost to their use.


19 posted on 12/17/2008 6:08:04 PM PST by Will88
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To: Eric Blair 2084

It won’t pay to be a fat, ugly smoker in NY if this passes.


20 posted on 12/17/2008 6:08:44 PM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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