Investigator casts doubt on Obama's birth residence

WND ^ | 12/16/08 | Dr. Jeroe Corsi

[Gemsbok]

Although, the majority opinion (particularly on a Conservative forum) would find Anne's birthing in Kenya incredulous, it fits BHO's and Stanley Dunham's pattern of lifestyle and the supporting circumstantial data that has surfaced: 1. She had studied radical political agenda in highschool and was a free-spirit. 2. She didn't want to move to Hawaii with her parents (preferred WA.) 3. She enrolled as a student at UHI and did not earn credit there in '61-'62. 4. She was part of the <1% engaged in inter-racial dating in the early 1960's. 5. She became pregnant at 17 yrs old from an adult Black (foriegn) 25 yr. old man. 6. It is understandable that she had entered a socially undesirable situation for her parents in Hawaii especailly given their MidWestern origins. 7. The Kenyan couldn't legally marry her in the USA since we was already wed. 8. Polygamy and adultery are commonplace and welcomed in many parts of Kenya. 9. Obama's records have been sealed by the government of Kenya. (There should be nothing to seal, right?) 10. His grandmother has given testimony that she witnessed his birth. 11. His Kenyan hometown is building monuments or shrines to his memorialize his birthplace. 12. Obama Sr. brought another white college girl to Kenya and married her there while still wed to Stanley Anne Dunham. She lived amongst his other wive(s) and bore him two sons.Absolutely there is plenty of proof, In fact he married wife #3, Ruth, while still married to Kezia#1 & Anne#2: http://www.military-money-matters.com/barack-obamas-extended-family.html Obama, Sr. was married to at least three women, always 2 at a time, and fathered eight children with four different women..........When Barack Sr. left Kenya for Hawaii, where he met Barack Jr.’s mother Ann, he left behind a wife named Kezia, whom he married in a local tribal ceremony at age 18. They had a son named Abongo (also known as Roy or Malik), born in 1958, and at the time he left for Hawaii, Kezia was pregnant with Auma, the senior Obama’s only daughter. During his time at Harvard, while black wife Kezia and children Roy and Auma lived in Kenya, and white wife Ann and son Barack lived in Hawaii, the senior Obama —->began a relationship with a Harvard classmate, Ruth Nidesand, a white American school teacher. We have heard very little mention of Ruth, who now runs a kindergarten in Nairobi. This is particularly curious, since Barack Obama has so publicly embraced his black African family, perhaps to bolster his bid to be the first “black” President of the United States. —>Ruth followed Obama Sr. back to Kenya after he received his degree from Harvard. There, they eventually married and lived the affluent life of a government bureaucrat (he was an economist for the Ministry of Finance) in Nairobi. They had two sons, Mark (1964), and David, before being divorced amid whispered rumors that Barack Sr. was an abusive alcoholic who routinely came home inebriated, and brutally beat his wife. 13. The only witnesses to place Barack Obama as a newborn in the USA state that he was passsing through the state of Washington shortly after his birth. 14. There are no other American witnesses to step forward for his mother or Obama during her state of pregnancy, his birth, or neonatal period. a. Obstetrician for prenatal care.....Midwife....Nurse...Delivery Room Doctor b. Hospital Admissions officer or Hospital Room-mate c. Pediatrician or pediatric nurses (vaccinations & well-care visits) d. Friends in Hawaii, Students or Professors from UHI e. Landlords that rented the couple property f. Neighbors from adjoining properties g. Relatives, deceased or sequestered from the public. 15. All records that would stubstantiate a place and date of birth as well as parentage are missing, lost or conveniently sealed from the public. 16. Obama's mother followed a second foreign student to Indonesia and lived abroad in a host of foriegn countries, much of her life.

[Iowan]

Thanks, LucyT

Ping.

[El Gato]

Has anyone done any investigation on Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) to see what kind of associations they may have had?

Orlando was a professor at the University of Hawaii, according to his obit in the same paper that printed Barry's birth announcement. also here. According to the obits, Thelma was his "companion", although they had kids, grandkids and one great grand kid together).

I also found a 2003 photo of him in a group touring "Battleship row". Tall wild haired fellow, but definitely a Haole.

Thelma died June 28th of this year She was 91, as was Orlando when he died a year or so earlier.

[classified]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5mu-mg_RsY

[potlatch]

[**Elect a Cokehead ‘08!**]

And, it seems they did!!

[Sharrukin]

Thanks for this! I would have missed it otherwise. You know I used to believe that Obama was just hiding something embarrassing but the more we learn the more I am inclined to believe that the guy isn’t constitutionally qualified.

[Canadian Outrage]

How do you know that Engineer? I trained as an RN at Vancouver General Hospital from 1965 - 1968. Although I no longer live in Vancouver I have been attempting to get a friend to go to medical records to see if Ann Dunham was a patient in VGH on August 4, 1961. Since one is not asking for “medical information” but simply asking if a person was hospitalized in that hospital on that date is fair game as far as I’m given to understand. I know that it involves going back through micro fisched records but it can be done. I am still attempting to get someone to get around to actually DOING it. The answer just might be what we are looking for. CO

[Beckwith]

but certainly as true blue American as you or I.

You mean RED, don't you?

[Beckwith]

Chief — you have some really interesting snippets of information — it would be even better is you supplied your sources and links.

[tom h]

Actually, I meant "true blue" in the older sense of the term.

Although I understand your point -- yes, I affiliate not only with red but with hard right red.

I remember a number of years ago when the "red" and "blue" American terms were just starting to be used. Now, there was no law or convention as to why either left or right should be called either color. I remember conservative commentators calling conservatives blue and liberals red.

But the libs in the MSM tenaciously used blue to describe themselves. Finally, out of sheer volume of usage, the convention was established: red America is conservative. Blue America is liberal.

And you know why, of course, that the libs didn't want "red" as their color? Because in the old days "red" meant communist (remember the old leftist mantra, "better red than dead"). They didn't want to risk having to live with a color too closely associated with their, ahem, real colors.

[Chief Engineer]

When I found out who the owners were of the birth announcement home were I began to google and was surprised by how many dead ends I encountered. Some of the military information was from ancestry.com, and the military info when Orland Lefforge entered OCS at Ft Sill was actually found when I googled “Andrea Lefforge Harper” The first hits for “Orland Scott Lefforge” and “Thelma Young” that pop up on google are their obituaries. It takes a lot of digging to track them and I haven’t been too successful with Thelma. Some info was obtained from the memorial section dedicated to faculty at UH of Manoa which I will provide here:

http://webdata.soc.hawaii.edu/fredr/Necrology.htm

Some data was found in newspaper archives and if that is the case the name of the newspaper is identified above the story in question.
The data regarding the receipt of the M.A. and Phd started as the name of the thesis Lefforge obtained his M.A. with and I sent an email to the University of Wisconsin at Madison to verify that he had indeed been awarded both.
Finally I went to metacrawler and found the title of the article which he had published in 1971.
Lefforge’s name appears under donations for some of the places he gave money to and he is also listed as a member of the Osher Institute from google searching. I hope this helps somewhat.

[Beckwith]

Because in the old days

I'm 70 -- from the "old days" -- and remember all that stuff too well.

Then, the communists operated underground, now they are right out front and ridicule anyone who identifies them.

Obama may not be a communist, but he is most definitely a fellow traveler and the people closest to him, since he was 12, have all been communists -- Davis, Palmer, Ayers, Klonsky and others.

Wasn't being critical, just the first thought that entered my head.

[Beckwith]

Thanks. A quilt is made from many stitches.

[Chief Engineer]

It sure is and for searching purposes I have switched over to metacrawler, it often turns up more than google does.But I have to go AWOL for about 3 hours to clear all the spyware off my hardworking laptop. All the junk that collects in it sure slows it down.

[tom h]

What with his cabinet picks and his leadership so far, I am confident that Obama will prove to be a lightweight, indecisive centrist who sometimes swings left but surprisingly sticks with the right, also.

The MSM will protect him for six months but after his huge blunders the left will be major league furious with him, the right will be smelling blood, and he will be viewed like Jimmy Carter.

I just hope he carries forward on a conservative initiative that we’ve always wanted — like abolish the IRS. Something that GWB squandered his Presidency, and four years of GOP leadership in the legislature, not trying.

[joloc]

“As far as I can discover there is no relation between them and Jr.”

Sure, there is!

“In June, 1959, at the age of 23, Obama Sr. became the first African student enrolled at the University of Hawaii...
at Manoa.”

“On Sept 26,1960, Stanley Ann began classes at the University of Hawaii, and began an intimate relationship with Barack Obama Sr. almost immediately.”

source: http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm

Don’t you see the connection?
Both Obama parents were students at the university
where Prof. Lefforge taught!
Perhaps, they were even his students!
(does anyone know if he taught Russian?)

Of course, that also provides the possibility that Lefforge took them in....
or, rented them a room...
or even, perhaps had taken pity on a very pregnant young student, whose “husband” had left all alone, having returned to his home country...and his other wife.

Maybe, Orland and Thelma were just helping the girl out.
Perhaps, there had even been some hint that she’d be giving the baby up...or worse.
Perhaps, the Lefforge’s were considering taking the child.

Heck! I don’t know!

But, you must admit....when you think about it, there are
many possibilities.

So, where’s our detective minds, eh?

[Chief Engineer]

Orland Lefforge had a Phd in Speech as in debate and was the debate coach at UH before he returned to University of Wisconsin at Madison in 1950 to work on his Phd which he received in 1953.I did contact UH to ask when he returned to teach there but never received a reply, although I do know that by 1968 he was in Washington D.C. as an aide to Sen. Inouye. I thought of the possibility of the Lefforge’s considering adopting Jr but the announcement in the papers negates that theory. Also Obama Sr at that time was living at 625 11th Ave. in the St. Louis Heights area of Oahu which was less than 1/2 mile from UH,the Dunhams lived at 2277 Kamehameha Ave. also a 1/2 mile from UH while the Lefforge home was over 7 miles from the University.
At the time the Lefforge family consisted of Orland, his wife Thelma, their daughter Andrea (d.o.b. March 15, 1955 adopted by the Lefforges) their daughter Mia(d.o.b. 1959 adopted by the Lefforges) and son Scott (d.o.b. 1960). There is very little information to be found for the Lefforge family overall, I have more google hits for my own real name than there are for the Lefforge family!
As for your suggestion about Lefforge teaching Russian, there were supposedly two women who taught the Russian language class but the only student ever interviewed who took the course at UH was a student who took the course a few years after 1960. According to him the teacher would have been either Ella Lury Embree Wiswell or Isabella Tripianky. Ella Lury Wiswell retired from teaching at UH in 1968 and is listed in the faculty memorial as a French teacher(she had attended the Sorbonne in Paris) while the only mentions I have been able to locate for Isabella Tripianky are on a blog and in the excerpt of a book. I have found absolutely no former students of the 1960 Russian language class or at least none who have come forward.

[joloc]

Impressive work, CE!
Thank you!

But, doesn’t it still seem odd that the Lefforge’s adopted 2 (at least) of their 3 children?
And, how often have you heard of couples who have fertility issues, after finally deciding to adopt...becoming pregnant?
I’ve heard lots of cases like that!

Sure, we may not have the exact adoption dates, but I’d bet the two oldest kids were still babies.
Then, the Lefforge’s finally got their own biological child.
Or perhaps, even Scott came to them by other means.

So, can we completely dismiss the possibility that Jr. might have been on their “adoption radar screen?”
Look at the birthdates of “their” kids — ‘55 and ‘59...
then, ‘60 for Scott, no matter if he’s really their bio-kid, or not.

‘55, ‘59, ‘60.
I’d guess that the Lefforge’s might well have still been in “adoption mode,” in ‘61.

But, all of that likely matters little, at least for the question at hand — was Jr born in the U.S., or not?

My best guess would be — “no.”
But, guesses don’t help much, either.

The Lefforge’s are gone, sure.
But, they still have living relatives.
I’ve located a few, I think.

So, do you want to do the honors...or, must I?

My preference is that you, or one of the others here
volunteer to do it.
I’m not very good at explaining these things, and tend
to confuse people, sometimes.

Plus....I make an awful ‘first impression.’

[AnAmericanMother]

"True Blue and Mrs. Crewe!"

[Chief Engineer]

Be careful with tracking of the Lefforge family, there is a Lefforge family in TX but it is not related to Orland’s. Andrea and her family live in Atlanta GA. Andrea has a Master of Arts in Advanced Economics and is married to one Stephen Harper. She works for the government of GA and is the mother of two children. I cannot locate Mia Lefforge Blake as there is an actress with the same name but from what I have been able to deduce she is the one with the grandchild. I have found no mention of Scott being married and honestly wonder if he is mentally challenged given his mother’s age when he was born.