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A Second Mortgage Disaster On The Horizon?
CBS News ^ | Dec. 14, 2008 | Scott Pelley

Posted on 12/15/2008 10:35:10 AM PST by Lorianne

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To: Lorianne

Despite this, I will not be surprised to receive a little notice next month informing me that the govt has decided our house is worth more than ever and raised our taxes.


41 posted on 12/15/2008 11:41:37 AM PST by freespirited (Compassionate conservatism is liberalism dressed up for Halloween.)
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To: crghill
[However, that’s what it comes down to when mom and dad have the only paid off house and the kids can’t afford a place of their own.]
 
Not altogether a negative situation without a silver lining.
 
Until fairly recently, the folks who built the American Heartland commonly lived with multiple generations on the same farm land - if not even in the same farm house. 
 
Got Family Values?
 
Not surprising they seem to be largely missing among those who've allowed themselves to be herded into suburban (human) cattle/sheeple farms...
 
 
 

42 posted on 12/15/2008 11:42:04 AM PST by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: smallbiz; Alberta's Child

>>In my area, we are seeing multiple families living under the same roof.<<

Yep, that coupled with the other dynamics of this situation pointed out by Alberta’s child indicate a future of serious dwelling place price deflation and lowered standard of living.

It’s all there.

Meet the New Waltons.


43 posted on 12/15/2008 11:42:21 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I see you point, but once you are in an ARM you don’t “requalify” every time the rate adjusts. You simply get a letter stating that your payment has increased/decreased to X, based on this interest rate.


44 posted on 12/15/2008 11:42:41 AM PST by Cyclone59 (A girl picked me up in a bar last night, I said, "put me down")
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To: Paul Ross
His conclusion is that there are a number of foreign investors who are improperly knee-jerk going to the U.S. as the best "port in a storm."

He's wrong about this one. Many of these foreign investors really have no other choice in the matter. Countries that maintain a huge trade surplus with the U.S. (China and Middle Eastern oil producers, for example) have to do SOMETHING with the dollars they receive in payment for the products they sell to the U.S., and buying U.S. Treasury bills at super-low interest rates is better than eating or burning them.

45 posted on 12/15/2008 11:45:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: smallbiz
"Some people are so far behind that it will take a decade to balance out the loan and the price their house can sell for."

It may take a decade to evit the non-payers. Free rent.

46 posted on 12/15/2008 11:45:54 AM PST by blam
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To: Paul Ross
I should point out, though, that I think you are right about long-term inflation prospects.

I just sold a chunk of shares in one of my bond funds last week . . . because I know the value of those shares will decline considerably once interest rates start to rise in the next 6-18 months.

47 posted on 12/15/2008 11:47:37 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: smallbiz

Depends. If something happened to the market where I live and suddenly my home was worth less than i owed, It would make sense for me to continue paying because I have no plans or designs to move for quite some time.


48 posted on 12/15/2008 11:49:15 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Cyclone59

That’s a good point, but I would think (and maybe I’m wrong about this) that a homeowner has tremendous leverage these days in negotiating ARM rates (or converting an ARM to a fixed-rate loan) with banks. The implied threat of a homeowner abandoning a home and turning the keys over to the bank is more real than it has been in years.


49 posted on 12/15/2008 11:49:47 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Cyclone59

I thought that ARM’s were based on prime and I know that prime is based on the govt rate and that rate is in the toilet, so that goes without saying - mortgage rates should be decreasing, shouldn’t they?


Except that many ARMs started with teaser rates, and even the prime didn’t change, the payments increase after the teaser period is over.


50 posted on 12/15/2008 11:51:14 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people. Criminals and the governments that create them kill people.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Am I missing something here?

People who who "walk away" from a mortgage won't be qualifying for a new one anytime soon after that; there is going to be a massive increase in unsold inventory--which is already staggering--and builders like DR Horton & Beezer will continue to flounder

It needed to happen though

51 posted on 12/15/2008 11:52:20 AM PST by swordfishtrombone
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To: dragnet2

>>Nothing wrong with families coming back together

Yep.

It might even put the Heartland back into the Homeland.

Much to the chagrin of progressive Rainbow useful idiots...

;-}


52 posted on 12/15/2008 11:52:22 AM PST by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: Paul Ross
"This all just goes to confirm that Peter Schiff Was Right "

I just ordered Peter Schiff's book, Crash Proof.

53 posted on 12/15/2008 11:55:13 AM PST by blam
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To: Hazwaste

Amen fellow Freeper!

The wife and I owned two small houses (relocation) and saved funds/built equity for the “big one” which we built about 2 1/2 yrs ago (bought our first house in ‘98). Not worried about losing it yet but we spent alot of time figuring out how people we knew who made less $$ than we did and lacked any sort of fiscal responsibility purchased houses we were dreaming about at the time. Now we know how that happened. I would really like to give those folks a swift kick in the backside cuz I have lost $50k of equity since purchasing the house in ‘06 thru no fault of my own. I’m guessing you have sentiments that are similar to mine....

One thing that really chaps my hide is when you hear friends and family feeling sorry for folks who purchased a house they had no business buying and then end up losing it. My dad (God rest his soul) drilled into me that once you sign your name to a contract that you are committed and should know what you are signing. These folks who got these exotic mortgages were living in a fantasy world like the liberals do. And they, like the liberals, are leaving the responsible folks to deal with their mess and pick up the tab.


54 posted on 12/15/2008 11:57:37 AM PST by Big Red Clay (Greetings from the Big Red State)
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To: Lorianne

We’re renting right now while we watch what is happening to the market. Just yesterday we found a notice posted on the door that the owner has defaulted and the property will be sold at auction in March. That sucks.


55 posted on 12/15/2008 12:04:23 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: Hazwaste

I just want to say thank you to all of you idiots out there that bought more house than you could afford under what used to be normal circumstances, because you were either incapable or unwilling to understand the contracts you were signing. As long as you were getting the dream home for zero down, and a low low introductory rate, LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!

Thanks so much for contributing to the rape of our economy, and leaving those of us who did it right, took our time, saved and scrimped for our down payments, paid our bills on time to build our credit, and after 5-10 years bought our first modest homes within our means, in fear of losing everything along with you.

Thanks that your stupidity and greed now means that young people that are starting out and want to do things right to build up cash and credit to buy a house can now look forward to living in a rental instead, because YOU wanted a dream home when all you could afford was an apartment.”

Me too....may I add...I resent paying for their greed!


56 posted on 12/15/2008 12:05:33 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Londo Molari

My husband and I met a couple (he was retired USAF) who had moved to Miami and bought a $750,000 with one of these types of mortages. The wife didn’t work and he made about $57,000. Needless to say they didn’t stay in that home long.


57 posted on 12/15/2008 12:11:16 PM PST by MissEdie
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To: cups

Every home I ever bought I bought with the knowledge that I can afford the monthly payment. I refinanced every home I ever bought to reduce my monthly payment and put money in my pocket. Every loan I ever took was fixed. Every home I ever bought I bought with no money down because having the cash was more important to me than reducing a 30 year fixed mortgage by 100 bucks a month.

As much as people got talked into buying homes with these 20-10-10 mortgages or variable rate mortgages, I believe more people tried to game the system, get the mortgage, get the hosue, flip the house at a profit and pay off the loan.

When the market went south, these people got screwed and now they are using the “women and minorities hardest hit” excuse to get compensation.


58 posted on 12/15/2008 12:12:50 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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To: Lorianne
None of this is new, the entire credit crash is just starting and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.

Government meddling is going to make it worse and/or prolong it.

59 posted on 12/15/2008 12:13:21 PM PST by dalereed
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To: milwguy

“The only solution is for the gov’t to print more money and offer all these losers a fixed 30 or 40 yr mortgage at 4% or 4.5%, regardless of equity. Otherwise the downward momentum may be unstoppable.”

Go to hell!!!

Throw everyone that can’t/won’t pay out in the street.


60 posted on 12/15/2008 12:20:26 PM PST by dalereed
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