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Bush changes mind, may save auto giants
Politico ^ | | 12/12/08 9:36 AM EST | By MIKE ALLEN

Posted on 12/12/2008 7:04:08 AM PST by meandog

Bush changes mind, may save auto giants

Facing the potential bankruptcy of iconic American firms, President Bush on Friday abandoned his longstanding objection to using using the Wall Street bailout fund to help save G.M., Ford and Chrysler.

A frustrated Republican congressional official said: "If only they had said this last week, we could have saved ourselves a full week."

Ten hours after the Senate rejected a separate lifeline for the automakers, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said in a statement it would be "irresponsible" to let the companies crash. So she said Bush will "consider other options," including the $700 billion Troubled Assets Relief Program that Congress created for the Treasury Department in October.

"Under normal economic conditions we would prefer that markets determine the ultimate fate of private firms," Perino said in a statement. "However, given the current weakened state of the U.S. economy, we will consider other options if necessary – including use of the TARP program — to prevent a collapse of troubled automakers. A precipitous collapse of this industry would have a severe impact on our economy, and it would be irresponsible to further weaken and destabilize our economy at this time."

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 110th; automakers; bailouts; bds; bush; deathofthewest; duhbeyah; grandtheftauto; manufacturing; shrub; suckstobehim; worst; worstprezsincecarter
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To: WesA
WE must unite with fiscal conservatives everywhere!

I'm as frustrated as anyone over the disarray on the Right. It seems to me that we are staked out over a fire ant hill built upon the failure to reconcile foreign policy etc.. I am a fiscal, social Conservative and have no use for government bailouts for socialist dominated industries. But when I perceive a threat from overseas, I want the dogs let loose.

So, while Conservatives of different stripes kick each other's guts out in spats over foreign policy etc., we get moderate to liberal leaders who think that the nation's best interests lie in subsidizing businesses that have not kept up with the competition.
261 posted on 12/12/2008 8:54:55 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: eleni121

“Businesses fail all the time...it’s the price of possible success.”

######

Capitalism 101.

It is called entrepreneurial risk.

The rewards of running your own business can be great, and they should be, because of the risk you were willing to undergo.

Class warfarists need to understand this concept.

The cleansing effects of capitalism and the marketplace need to be allowed to work their magic on the diseased American auto industry.


262 posted on 12/12/2008 8:55:07 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: KTM rider

“I think this entire financial “crisis” is nothing more than a shift to socialism (total governmeent control), orchestrated by the federal reserve and the mega rich, the same thing happened through the Great Depression”
>>>>>>>.............
stop stop you are connecting the dots..before you know it
you will be forced to wear a tin foil hat ..LOL but crying inside.


263 posted on 12/12/2008 8:55:42 AM PST by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: SuziQ

“....; he’s talking about using the money ALREADY appropriated for the Wall Street bailout plan.”

That reminds me of the first time I said I’d never vote for Bush again. “I’m going to give your money for research on murdered babies that are have already been murdered. I’m going to reward the murder of these babies with your money.” Sigh. I voted for him again and have spent brain cells and time defending him.


264 posted on 12/12/2008 8:57:30 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: WesA

The problem is that most fiscal conservatives support these bailouts, especially the banking 700b-3 trillion whatever banking bailout

And, most libertarians support wealth-redistributing free trade, at the expense of many of our American companies.

The real reason for the banking bailout is the utter failure of the anti-American Free Trade-Globalist policies that have been affecting the American economy.

Note that these bailouts only came about until after foreigners started losing their shirts when they invested in the US home mortgages....no one cared two or three years earlier when Americans were losing everything on bad home loans

When you take money out of America, and redistribute overseas....you have less money in the American economy. You dont need an economist to explain that...or to make excuses why it did not happen


265 posted on 12/12/2008 8:58:36 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Always question the patriotism of any Globalist)
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To: MrPiper

I declare myself a patriot. We need a manufacturing base. Not only do we need to save the Auto’s we need to bring back manufacturing in a big way. If this financial crisis has demonstrated anything, It demonstrates that our ‘evolved service economy’ will not work and will destroy not only the economy but the middle class in this country. All the financial pundits on television and in print are supporting a stimulus package on infrastructure. They know we can not trade mortgage papers in order to climb out of this economic grave...this country is languishing in...we must build stuff. Such a plan would not be necessary had we promoted our manufacturing sector instead of essentially destroying it.


266 posted on 12/12/2008 8:59:51 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: Taking Congress back in 2010
The comments about President Bush are disheartening. If it wasn’t for President Bush, those of you still alive, would be sifting through the remains of our burnt out cities looking for scraps to live on.
Really, if you are crediting him just for the fact that we weren't attacked, you could give the same kind of credit to Clinton and, should we not be in the next four years, to Obama.
Yes, Bush helped to bolster the military in some ways after 9-11...but he also shares the blame (along with Rumsfeld) for the failure of not having enough boots on the ground and general screwups in the initial phases of Operations Iraqi Freedom, therefore causing unnecessary death and wounding for those who really have kept us safe: OUR TROOPS!
The president seemed to forget that his first loyalty was to the American people and not to trusted but an incompetent Cabinet member such as Don Rumsfeld.
267 posted on 12/12/2008 9:00:18 AM PST by meandog (Wasilla warrior in 2012!)
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To: meandog

Horse Pocky. I just emailed comments@whitehouse.gov and let them/him know my opinion of the Auto Bail Out.

The whole mess is unjustifiable.

Here we are, doing what’s right, paying our bills on time, living a quiet modest life and we get no reward. But a CEO who drives his company into the ground gets a bail out and is going to skim ‘his’ off the top of any bail out money, just as Paulson and Bernanke did.

This is unconscionable. Who bought out President Bush’s conscience? How much is one man’s conscience worth?


268 posted on 12/12/2008 9:00:47 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated ("The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: meandog
I was a believer myself for a long time, and I remember Rush pushing him in 2000 primary. Unfortunately alternative was McCain but Rush pushed GWB as Gipper #2. I wanted to believe we had someone, a conservative leader we could be proud of. He betrayed (some of us suckers) our trust and hopes beyond belief. And worse, he made on many things, liberals were more right that Republicans(not defensible). I have to tell Maryland libs I work with that I was completely wrong on him, led on like a fool (my awakening was 2004-2006.)
269 posted on 12/12/2008 9:01:39 AM PST by sickoflibs (Hannity: : "I don't get my bonus unless this GM bailout goes through")
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To: CatoRenasci

“He’s the same guy trying to do his best as he’s always been....”

What you said is very level headed; void of the hatred that many posters, including myself, have. I think it’s probably a little more that what you said though and a little less of what others have said. I think the Ivy League elitist theory of Bush has weight.


270 posted on 12/12/2008 9:02:02 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Vaquero
ya know....all things considered he is head and shoulders over Gore or Kerry.... Though that aint saying much. I would vote for him again over a Gore, Kerry, Hillary or Zerobama. that is why I voted for McQueeg. the opposition were such dooooshbags ...

Having also voted for him twice (or should I say voted against his opposition) I too once felt the way you did. But no longer as I would much rather be blaming Gore or Kerry for the current economic mess we're in--it would have meant a Republican president and a dominant Republican Congress.

271 posted on 12/12/2008 9:03:26 AM PST by meandog (Wasilla warrior in 2012!)
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To: misterrob

It is for the unions, not the companies.


272 posted on 12/12/2008 9:03:26 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

“When you take money out of America, and redistribute overseas”
>>>>>>>>>>.................
don’t take a genius does it?..Americans may wake up to that fact, but millions of legal immigrants and illegals still benefit from it ..
and lets face it Bush wants them here to vote.
rarely in history a countries leaders sold the wealth of the nation in such a bold display of treason that none shall even call it such.


273 posted on 12/12/2008 9:05:00 AM PST by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: xzins

Many think the GOP is F#$% ed...anyway. The great Senator from Tennessee (actually no sarcasm, I do think he is trying unlike Shelby ET AL) was asked by a Fox Business news reporter,’is the GOP prepared to own this (potential loss of big three). He stammered out a reply. This is analogous to LBJ’s promoting the civil rights bill-he lost the South for a generation-well actually Dems still lose most of the South. The GOP is giving away the Mid West. Thus, dooming itself to regionalism for the foreseeable future.


274 posted on 12/12/2008 9:05:22 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: meandog

“Jim,I’ll tell you what I am tired of. I am tired of hearing from people who support a religious fanatic like Alan Keyes who is borderline insane and would LOVE to be a American christian version of a Ayatolla(sp)”

That’s from sneakypete. Is that moron still around?


275 posted on 12/12/2008 9:06:22 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: EyeGuy

Bingo! The Secular Left wants Big Brother to replace God. So then all risk - personal or otherwise DEPENDS on our allegiance to the latest politician demagogue who can lie the best.

When that happens we have sold our souls to the devil and we have traded our freedom for a false sense of security.


276 posted on 12/12/2008 9:07:02 AM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: Aquinasfan

Why would anyone want to build cars in a hell hole like Detroit? Those plants will burn, and then grass will grow up through the cracks in the concrete.


277 posted on 12/12/2008 9:07:21 AM PST by ichabod1 (Reagan wouldÂ’ve fired them.)
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To: eleni121

The auto industry is essential to this country both in the short term and in the long term. We need to revive manufacturing. This economic catastrophe clearly demonstrates the weakness of a service economy or as some call it a consumer driven economy.


278 posted on 12/12/2008 9:09:50 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: M203M4

I say, we are all Keynians now.


279 posted on 12/12/2008 9:11:31 AM PST by ichabod1 (Reagan wouldÂ’ve fired them.)
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To: bronxboy

I declare myself a patriot. We need a manufacturing base. Not only do we need to save the Auto’s we need to bring back manufacturing in a big way. If this financial crisis has demonstrated anything, It demonstrates that our ‘evolved service economy’ will not work and will destroy not only the economy but the middle class in this country. All the financial pundits on television and in print are supporting a stimulus package on infrastructure. They know we can not trade mortgage papers in order to climb out of this economic grave...this country is languishing in...we must build stuff. Such a plan would not be necessary had we promoted our manufacturing sector instead of essentially destroying it.


Good post...and you probably get hammered by the Globalists on it...but we really need to get back to our manufacturing base.

What good is “free trade” if you make nothing to trade?

I think this is the reality facing many of your Free Trader/Globalists right now. The reality is that their economic ideas do not work...and need government to bail them out

Just as the Eastern Europeans realized that Communism was a failure, we need to realize that our Free Trade/Globalist policies are failures. The American economy needs to be re-Americanized


280 posted on 12/12/2008 9:11:48 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Always question the patriotism of any Globalist)
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