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Group asks states to track citizens' ammo
World Net Daily ^ | 12-9-08 | Chelsea Schilling

Posted on 12/10/2008 6:27:01 AM PST by dynachrome

Legislation to trace ammunition is pending in several states, and many gun owners are concerned that it is just another attempt by anti-gun groups to violate citizens' Second Amendment rights.

An organization known as Ammunition Accountability is pushing to make coding technology mandatory across the nation. Its website claims it is a group of "gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more" who are "saving lives one bullet at a time."

If states pass the legislation, manufacturers will be required to laser etch a serial number into the back of each bullet and the inside of cartridge casings, a patented process developed by Seattle, Wash., resident Russ Ford and his business partners, Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; 2ndamendment; ammo; ammocoding; banglist; johnknickerbocker; russford; stevemace
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Any of you believe obamalamadingdong's promises about the 2nd Amendment?
1 posted on 12/10/2008 6:27:04 AM PST by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome
patented process developed by Seattle, Wash., resident Russ Ford and his business partners, Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker.

Get Rich Quick scheme?

Ford, Mace, and Knickerbocker are domestic enemies.

2 posted on 12/10/2008 6:29:20 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: dynachrome
Time to cast your own lead and load your own powder.

Not sure how they'd argue that casting your own lead fell under the "Commerce Clause".

Maybe they'd just get the EPA to outlaw lead altogether.

3 posted on 12/10/2008 6:31:05 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: dynachrome

He’ll just say “The 2nd Ammendment is about the right to bear arms. It says nothing about ammunition !!” /sarc


4 posted on 12/10/2008 6:32:27 AM PST by TheCipher
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To: dynachrome
Private citizens and retail outlets would be required to dispose of all non-coded ammunition no later than Jan. 1, 2011.

Yeah, good luck with that.

How would that be enforced? Never mind, I don't want to even think about it.

5 posted on 12/10/2008 6:33:56 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Sho me da BC...mo)
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To: dynachrome; Larry Lucido

RICO act apply here ?


6 posted on 12/10/2008 6:35:08 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

“Time to cast your own lead and load your own powder”

But it would be illegal without the laser coding. You can afford that, right?


7 posted on 12/10/2008 6:35:31 AM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: dynachrome
Here's the website. Not much there, no real contact except for email addy. No organization chart, nothing.

Ammunition Accountability

8 posted on 12/10/2008 6:36:56 AM PST by Pistolshot ("Democrats don't show respect, they just demand respect " - ClearCase_guy)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Ford, Mace, and Knickerbocker are domestic enemies.

Why? I can think of a few cases where this could be very useful, such as in police shoot-outs. Knowing which officer fired which bullet could be extremely useful in sorting out such events.

I suppose you consider Berners-Lee an enemy too since he invented the web browser that allows porn to spread across the Internet, too?

9 posted on 12/10/2008 6:38:38 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: dynachrome

i say that it is high time to take our country back....the loonies are out of control.....


10 posted on 12/10/2008 6:38:53 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: dynachrome

In tracing the ammunition, we found that the .22 caliber round was fired from a distance of 30 feet, striking the local leader of Ammunition Accountability in the left buttock, penetrating the jeans and underwear he was wearing, bisecting the cheeks, and exiting the right buttock at a downward angle, and coming to rest in the dirt. :-)


11 posted on 12/10/2008 6:39:05 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspell)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Time to cast your own lead

or machine your own tungsten.

12 posted on 12/10/2008 6:39:18 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Pistolshot

be interesting to find out who the are and who is backing them.


13 posted on 12/10/2008 6:40:34 AM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: dynachrome
But it would be illegal without the laser coding. You can afford that, right?

Except that they can't "regulate" it without appealing to the "Commerce Clause", and as long as you haven't sold the molded slug to anyone, then no commerce has transpired, so there's nothing that they could conceivably "regulate".

14 posted on 12/10/2008 6:41:03 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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Any of you believe obamalamadingdong's promises about the 2nd Amendment?

NOPE !!!

15 posted on 12/10/2008 6:41:15 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Not sure how they'd argue that casting your own lead fell under the "Commerce Clause".

Easy. FDR did it with wheat.
Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942)

A man growing wheat for his own consumption affects interstate commerce because if he didn't grow it for his own consumption he'd have to buy it from an interstate source. Therefore, the federal government has the power to regulate someone growing wheat for their own consumption.

I sh!t you not.

16 posted on 12/10/2008 6:42:44 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
I can think of a few cases where this could be very useful

I think you're giving them too much credit ...

This is not a technology intended for assisting police in managing their own personnel problems. It is intended for infringing the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms.

I hope that, after some reflection, you're ashamed of your analogy to Tim Berners-Lee. That has to be the stupidest thing I've seen today.

17 posted on 12/10/2008 6:43:24 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MrB

Yeah, but at that point you just tell the Federal Gubmint to go fornicate with itself, and you dress up as Injuns and throw some tea in Boston Harbor.


18 posted on 12/10/2008 6:44:00 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

I don’t recall a “Topeka Wheat Party” happening in 1942...


19 posted on 12/10/2008 6:45:11 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
and as long as you haven't sold the molded slug to anyone, then no commerce has transpired, so there's nothing that they could conceivably "regulate".

Hah!

Since your hand-cast bullets are explicitly an alternative to manufactured and laser coded bullets, they "affect" interstate commerce ... and are therefore subject to regulation.

20 posted on 12/10/2008 6:45:45 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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