Posted on 12/08/2008 6:57:44 PM PST by ckilmer
Not even the U.S. Supreme Court can kill the dispute that has developed over Sen. Barack Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office based on questions raised over his birthplace and citizenship and his steadfast refusal to provide documentation on the issue.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
“How else do you communicate with someone so stupid?”
Let me guess - by calling a guy with a PhD and an IQ of 150 ‘stupid’. yeah that’ll work!
“Someone who needs to insult those that think or believe
differently.”
Pot-kettle-black time. I’m not the one telling others to shut up or leave FR.
“You just a disruptor who has no respect for others.”
All I want to disrupt is lies and stupidity and false claims and bad logic. Is that so wrong? Only to trooooo-believers!
“In fact you do it on purpose. I cite evidence directly from
the State of Hawaii’s web site that a foreigner could obtain
a COLB just like Mr. Obama’s for $1.00 and you ignore it.”
- Because it means nothing. You can order a CoLB, great, but what place of birth does it put on it.
Show me a COLB from a foreigner that the state of Hawaii has change the place of birth to be “Honolulu” and maybe you’ve got something, but if all you have is a service by state of Hawaii to issue CoLBs for foreign born residents, and it has, say “place of birth: PUsan, Korea” on it, you have actually weakened your point, because of course, then if Obama were born elsewhere, they would have the CoLB represent that. It doesnt.
So you got nothing meaningful there.
The CoLB shows that his birth was registered on August 8th, 1961, 4 days after his Aug 4th birthdate in Honolulu. Place of birth Honolulu in the record. Unless the records were tampered with or changed since then, and there is no evidence of that, and unless the whole CoLB is forged, which some believe but I consider a false and weak claim at this point ... you are left with the conclusion that on August 8th 1961, his birth was recorded with state of Hawaii. At the same time the local paper had a birth announcement, probably using the same information.
there are no holes in the official story - he was born aug 4th, 1961 in Honolulu.
The fact that foreigners could do something is irrelevent to the chain of logic here, because a foreigner doesnt register their birth with state of Hawaii 4 DAYS AFTER BIRTH and with the birthplace Honolulu.
“Why? Because you just enjoy berating people here at FR.
In fact you make a sport of it.”
Uh, I have more fun things to do. This is more of a public service activity. I’m working on Troother Merit Badge.
“The reason the Honolulu paper had the birth announcement is that Stanley really, really intended to be back for his birth and hadn’t counted on an airline forbidding her to fly in her advanced pregnancy.”
Fantasy: But the CIA provided a blackbird spy plane to fly her back in time, in between their shuttling of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Reality: You have birth and death announcements in the paper all the time.
What percentage of them would you think are fakes, phony and wrong? What tare the odds an announcement of a birth in a US city is faked and the kid was really born at the same time in a foreign country? Have you heard/seen that happen EVER in another context?
” His COLB has Honolulu as his place of birth because that COLB was faked to support the birth announcement. “
How was it faked? So who’s in on the conspiracy? Every govt worker? State of Hawaii?
It [COLB] certifies the birth record on file for Barack Obama.
Yep, it sure does...but but a birth record from where?
Hawaii officials will only say that the birth certificate is in their possession. They didn't say it proved he was born in Hawaii.
AH, so every time an official doesnt say "X" it means that X is false. Curious but flawed logic. The CoLB states the registration was made Aug 8th, 4 days after birth, and the birthplace was Honolulu. What is escaping your own logical sense is the fact that the CoLB is just a printout of what is in the database and the database is what was entered Aug 8th, 1961 and reflective of the birth certificate.
Now lets review the statement of the Hawaii officials:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/politics/17866037/detail.html
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said. State officials said Saturday they have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
They have it on file. If you think that what they have on file in ANY WAY CONTRADICTS the CoLB that came from the Hawaii records database, then Mr Fukino would be 'in' on a scam perpetrated on all of us. I'd rate it a 99.999% probability that the birth certificate on file has the exact same information as the already-released CoLB and 0.0001% chance of scam ... AND FURTHERMORE, IT DEBUNKS THE "CoLB is a fraud" CLAIMS, since how/why would the CoLB be forged if the state of Hawaii *does* have a real birth record for Obama?
One way to tease this apart - What do you think Hawaii has in their database, if its not the exact info in the CoLB presented on factcheck.org?
Tiny probability of something amiss here. If Fukino saw something, he would vouch in the way he did. If Republican Gov Lingle knew there was fakery there, she'd out it. If Hillary's minions had found something wrong in Obama's passport files .. oops. If something was amiss, it would have been outed.
The case is not "closed".
If the CoLB reflects the true birth certificate info, then yes it is closed.
You're splitting hairs, spinning facts, and in total denial. And, this argument is done, as you are not debating, you're preaching, and you're wrong with your "facts".
More projection from people ignoring the preponderance of evidence and trying to salvage a false theory. In denial about the Honolulu paper birth announcement, the Hawaii officials vouching for the birth certificate, the CoLB itself, the massive implausibility of an alternative scenario, etc.
There is also this report on wat Hawaii officials said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/08/obama-birth-certificate-c_n_149229.html
“But Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state’s registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, say they checked health department records and have determined there’s no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.”
“But everyone, even back in the ancient days of 1961, knew that an American citizenship was a valuable thing to have. “
... which is why Stanley Ann Dunham wouldnt do something stupid and expensive and dangerous to her child like jet off to a foreign country when she was 8 months pregnant.
Right?
It seems to me that the issue isn't whether he held dual citizenship at birth, but rather whether he has dual citizenship now. That's the "spirit" of the Constitutional requirement for "natural born citizen", isn't it?
How am I wrong?
Related posts here and here and here and here.
So that we're all on the same page.
And if someone was insulting your wife?
Now you listen.
I have spent 20 years serving my country.
I know many many men that even though our relationship is a
professional one we have become like family.
When they call or we meet and they tell me they are on their way to harms way my heart sinks.
I may never see them again.
This is no joke to me. I love and care for my country
and know the danger the misguided and misinformed
miscreants represent to it.
And if I am on my knees at night praying something or someone
like Dr. Keyes will stop them I hardly think that is worthy of ridicule.
So please save me the tinfoil as this is no game to me.
Clearly you are not interested in an exchange of ideas. You let your emotions overwhelm your intellect. You had an opportunity to pull yourself together but you chose to continue with the “I love my country more than other people” excuses. I do not know what else I can do to try and help you sit at the grown-up’s table. Have a nice day.
Fact is what I told you was true.
And you respond not with understanding but with Beratement.
“And if I am on my knees at night praying something or someone
like Dr. Keyes will stop them”
The strategy of pushing this false ‘he’s not born in the US’ story is about as successful as Dr Keyes 2004 campaign against Barack Obama...
“And if someone was insulting your wife?”
You have insulted me directly. I have insulted neither you nor your relations. Get a grip, stop projecting, and stop insulting me.
Mr. Alinsky trained you well.
WOSG
FR jester.
Here to liven things up.
I have better things to do than have a pissing contest with a skunk.
Go back to waxing your R.V. with old glory.
“Oh, yeah, someone who gets knocked up as a 17-year-old by a mid-twenties foreign student is someone who is really thinking clearly about consequences. “
Oh, so she DOESNT care enough about the issue of where Barack is born to mislead or cover up about where he was born ... which means the Augsut 8th 1961 filing of Barack Obama’s birth as being in Honolulu was a correct one.
No need for complicated subterfuge when you are just dealing with having a baby as enough of a challenge.
Right.
Pretty good at flippin and floppin as an avoidance mechanism. Have you been taking lessons from Barry O?
More insults.
Fact is what I told you was true.
And you respond not with understanding but with more hostility.
“Pretty good at flippin and floppin as an avoidance mechanism.”
It’s you who engaged in it... my logic is precise here: Was this teenaged girl thinking about consequences enough to engage in subterfuge wrt Obama’s place of birth ... or not?
If yes, then she wouldnt have left Honolulu in the first place.
If no, then no subterfuge.
So maybe Obama was born in Honolulu like the Hawaii records and the Honolulu birth announcement indicate.
More insults that only show you have not even clue one about who I really am.
Obama - a born in the USA socialist.
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