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Wrotnowski Case Referred to Full Court by Justice Scalia
SCOTUS ^ | 12/08/2008 | SCOTUS

Posted on 12/08/2008 11:28:55 AM PST by LongIslandConservative

No. 08A469 Title: Cort Wrotnowski, Applicant v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State

Docketed: Lower Ct: Supreme Court of Connecticut Case Nos.: (SC 18264)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nov 25 2008 Application (08A469) for stay and/or injunction, submitted to Justice Ginsburg. Nov 26 2008 Application (08A469) denied by Justice Ginsburg. Nov 29 2008 Application (08A469) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia. Dec 8 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 12, 2008. Dec 8 2008 Application (08A469) referred to the Court by Justice Scalia.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; cortwrotnowski; donofrio; illegalpresident; lawsuit; naturalborncitizen; noillegalpresidents; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; scalia; scotus; wrotnowski; wrotnowskivbysiewicz
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In addition to my #51, I’d also like to point out that this is a good example of the difference between libs and conservatives. The conservative almost always distribute urgent requests (such as stay requests) to all the justices to vote on. However, Stevens, Souter, and Ginsburg, while often referring matters to the full Court, do take things into their own hands much more often.

Also, I find it interesting that there was no comment regarding denial of cert (not the same as a dissent) from any of the conservatives. In highly political cases, Justice Stevens often likes to issue such things, pointing out the obvious fact that denial is not a ruling on the merits. I remember him doing this in the highly political issue (and, imo, nonjusticiable) of recess appointments by President Bush.

Again, conservatives have class, libs don’t.


61 posted on 12/08/2008 12:19:42 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: LongIslandConservative
Hot Damn!


62 posted on 12/08/2008 12:21:03 PM PST by America2012
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To: Cicero

“Otherwise, why would Thomas bring it forward, and then not vote for it?”
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Because that is standard procedure when an application is denied by the first Justice and then presented to a second Justice. It has nothing to do with merits of argument or case. It’s just what they do as standard procedure. You can check this yourself by browsing through the SCOTUS Docket.

See page 4 of http://www.supremecourtus.gov/publicinfo/reportersguide.pdf (found on Donofrio’s site):

“If a Justice acts alone to deny an application, a zetitioner may reapply to any other Justice of his or her choice, and theoretically can continue until a majority of the Court has denied the application. ***In practice, applications usually are referred to the full Court by the second Justice to avoid such a prolonged procedure.***”


63 posted on 12/08/2008 12:23:23 PM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: Sibre Fan

Again, we have no idea how the conference went. Noted dissents from denial or notes saying that “Justice ___ would grant cert” are not the same thing as a justice supporting cert in private conference.


64 posted on 12/08/2008 12:25:27 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: Red Steel

We need more Trolls to post and then be Zotted.

The Zer0Bots were not prepared for this news.

Their think tanks are being soberized from their premature celebrations and will have new mantras on this action after they sober up.


65 posted on 12/08/2008 12:25:43 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Felipe de Jesus CALDERON Hinojosa & Schwarzenegger for US el presidente 2112!)
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To: Red Steel

True .. Donofrio has a court clerk “issue” as well as Socialist Republic of NJ issues.


66 posted on 12/08/2008 12:26:45 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: JEH_Boston

Ping us when ABCNNBCBS and the dying dinosaur fishwraps like the LA Slimes, Chicago Tribune, NY Slimes and the Compost carry this news.


67 posted on 12/08/2008 12:27:09 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Felipe de Jesus CALDERON Hinojosa & Schwarzenegger for US el presidente 2112!)
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To: Genoa

Even if they accept it Dec. 12, there certainly won’t be any headway by Dec. 15. The electors’ votes will be cast for Obama and Biden, and that means Biden would be sworn in as president if Barack Obama were found unqualified, yes?

***

NOT necessarily ...

Assuming Obama was DQ’d, it ALSO depends on WHEN he was DQ’d.

FIRST - a Primer

There are 538 Electors in the Electoral College. However, there are MORE than 538 POSSIBLE Electors during the General Election.

FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT, LET US SUPPOSE THAT ONLY MCCAIN AND OBAMA WERE RUNNING FOR POTUS ...

McCain had 538 Electors pledged to him, if elected and Obama had 538 Electors. THESE WERE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS. Therefore, there were 1076 POSSIBLE Electors.

As currently stands, Obama will win in the Electoral College 365-173, assuming everyone votes as they have pledged.

NOW:

HERE IS WHERE IT GETS MESSY ...

Suppose Obama was DQ’d by SCOTUS BEFORE the Electoral Vote count on 06 January - what would happen? ANY NUMBER OF THINGS ...

THIS could happen:

1. IN ALL STATES, if a candidate is DQ’d, they remove him from the ballot results - AS IF HE HAD NEVER BEEN ON THE BALLOT.

Therefore, through the “Fruit of the Poisonous Tree” doctrine, HIS Electors would be removed from the Electoral College AND the runner-up’s Electors would be installed.

In this case, McCain would then win 538-0, assuming the Electors voted as they had pledged.

What about Biden? WHO KNOWS?

Biden could make a claim that he was validly elected and IF SCOTUS ruled so, then he would be elected VP 365-173, assuming the Electors voted as they had pledged.

In this case, Obama/Biden Electors WHO WERE NOT ALLOWED to vote for Obama WOULD be allowed to vote for Biden.

McCain’s additional Electors who voted for POTUS would sit the VP vote out.

However, OTOH, if Biden was DQ’d by SCOTUS because he ran as a TICKET with Obama, McCain’s additional Electors WOULD vote for VP (Obama/Biden’s WOULD NOT vote) and Palin would be VP 538-0.

CONFUSING? - YOU BETCHA!!!

BTW: THIS IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION - IT WOULD BE “EXTRA CONSTITUTIONAL” ORDERED BY SCOTUS. BUT, IT WOULD ELIMINATE AN ELECTION THAT WAS BASD UPON THE PERPETRATION OF A FRAUD. THIS IS AN UNLIKELY SCENARIO.

OR THIS could happen:

2. If Obama was DQ’d, SCOTUS could eliminate the Electoral College vote for this election - since it was tainted. The vote would then go to the House of Representatives for POTUS. This is per the 12th Amendment AND IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

The House then votes as State delegations (1 state, 1 vote), and a simple majority wins.

HOWEVER, per the 12th Amendment, the House can ONLY VOTE FROM A LIST OF NO MORE THAN 3 candidates who received electoral votes. McCain is the ONLY one on the list. McCain wins 50-0.

As for VP:

The Senate votes for VP (1 Senator, 1 vote), and a simple majority wins. This is per the 12th Amendment AND IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

The Senate votes from a list of the 2 top candidates (Biden and Palin) who received electoral votes. Biden wins something like 58-42. THIS IS THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO.

OR THIS could happen:

3. SCOTUS orders a new election. THIS IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION - IT WOULD BE “EXTRA CONSTITUTIONAL”. THIS IS AN UNLIKELY SCENARIO.

THE LIKELYHOOD, IF OBAMA WERE DQ’D IS 2, THEN 3, THEN 1, ABOVE.

IF Obama was DQ’d AFTER the Electoral College vote on 06 January:

Per the 20th Amendment, the VP-Elect will become “acting” President on 20 January until a new President has qualified ...

How does the new President qualify? Presumably, SCOTUS rules the Electoral College vote invalid and throws it to the House of Representatives and the Senate, as in #2, above. Or, SCOTUS orders a new election.

IF Obama was DQ’d AFTER Inauguration, he MIGHT be declared NOT to have held the office in the first place - due to his ineligibility. IN THAT CASE, REFER TO 1, 2, AND 3, ABOVE ...

OTHERWISE:

Obama would have to be impeached, Biden would be President - AT LEAST INITIALLY under the 25th Amendment, Biden would nominate a new VP. Senate would confirm. Or SCOTUS could order a new election.

SIMPLE, HUH?


68 posted on 12/08/2008 12:27:56 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: devere

I hope you are right. I think Scalia and Thomas probably get it based on the Constitution. We have seen how they have decided cases in the past. I just hope Alito and Roberts are made of the same stuff and then Kennedy will also realize how serious this issue is. The electorate has been defrauded.


69 posted on 12/08/2008 12:28:34 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Grampa Dave
Paging Mr Sroctum Expert

Literally laughing out loud(LOL).

70 posted on 12/08/2008 12:28:37 PM PST by McGruff
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To: savedbygrace

I might be over-analyzing. I think more than 270 Obama electors are required by State law in each State to vote for Obama. IOW, they have to vote for him even though he would be ineligible. A conundrum.

On 3rd thought, in that case, we’d probably have Acting President Biden.


71 posted on 12/08/2008 12:29:58 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

As you noted, so much of his past life has been hidden or spiked.

Hiding your past life is very typical of criminals and pyscopaths.


72 posted on 12/08/2008 12:30:02 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Felipe de Jesus CALDERON Hinojosa & Schwarzenegger for US el presidente 2112!)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

As you noted, so much of his past life has been hidden or spiked.

Hiding your past life is very typical of criminals and pyscopaths.


73 posted on 12/08/2008 12:30:10 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Felipe de Jesus CALDERON Hinojosa & Schwarzenegger for US el presidente 2112!)
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To: Frantzie

The Court isn’t going to touch this with a ten-foot-pole. The fact that we don’t know how the private conference went does not mean there is any realistic chance of them hearing it.


74 posted on 12/08/2008 12:31:22 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: Grampa Dave
We need more Trolls to post and then be Zotted.

These threads are certainly the the troll magnet.

75 posted on 12/08/2008 12:31:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: McGruff

Thanks.

I figured that most of us who just want an answer to Zer0’s real history needed a laugh.


76 posted on 12/08/2008 12:31:53 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Felipe de Jesus CALDERON Hinojosa & Schwarzenegger for US el presidente 2112!)
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To: LongIslandConservative; Congressman Billybob

DO you know Bill Anderson?


77 posted on 12/08/2008 12:32:34 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: NinoFan

Another keyboard commando/troll speaks.


78 posted on 12/08/2008 12:32:38 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Grampa Dave

LOL!


79 posted on 12/08/2008 12:34:31 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: Frantzie

Um, get a grip. I’ve been here a heck of a lot longer than you. I have doubts about Obama’s BC, but that doesn’t mean I think the Court will hear anything to do with this issue. It’s a political issue the Court isn’t going to touch.


80 posted on 12/08/2008 12:35:05 PM PST by NinoFan
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