Posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:24 AM PST by cycle of discernment
too bad
“If he was born in HI, there is no doubt about him being a citizen.” In the delusions of your desires, perhaps.
I have yet to find any proof of that assertion.
I know that there are claims that O’s COLB was forged from hers, but beyond that, I have not found independent corroboration that she does have one. She may well have a record of foreign birth which was filed with the state. Those are absolutely standard, so that one has an English language proof of birth.
“Either way, he needs to be dressed in an ATF jumpsuit and helo dropped into the deep mountains of western Kentucky!”
Now, Irish here has come up with a plan we can ALL get behind.
(Though I think DEA jacket might be fun, too . . .or is that eastern KY? *grin*)
You've just advanced a conspiracy theory to avoid answering the question of why Obama won't release his actual birth certificate. Nice foot shot.
And since we are relegated to making educated guesses since everything, and I mean everything, is totally hidden from us, I have to say that I have heard what you say before.
One of the possible reasons his BC is being hidden is because he may not know who his real father is. That also may explain why there are no records of who Dunham actually lived with before Lolo Soetoro.
I am not asking you because I think your personal opinion is important. It is just as important as mine, no more, no less.
I am asking you because we have a difference of opinion, and I think you are wrong.
As a citizen of this country, I DO have a stake in what is happening. This isn’t some murder trial in California for some kind of Bozo celebutard.
I wrote this earlier, and, and it is just as relevant here. You and some others feel this is not an issue at all and should be disregarded. You have chosen to categorize as lunatic fringe, sour grapes or irrational, those people who think the question of Obama’s citizenship is an important issue.
I disagree, and here is why:
It has been suggested that a citizens, we are “obliged” to honor the majority choice as President elect.
We are not “obliged” to honor their choice. If Barack Obama is not a citizen as outlined in the US Constitution, then he should not be allowed to assume office.
That requirement is found in the Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
The founders put that stipulation in there for a REASON. A specific reason. A GOOD reason, one that is just as relevant today as it was back in 1787.
If the population of this nation decides there is a valid reason to allow foreigners to run for the office of the Presidency, then the founders, in their wisdom, included a mechanism within the Constitution to change the document.
The mechanism sets a bar of difficulty that is high, but there is a reason for that as well. We WANT the document to be difficult to change, so that if a change is proposed, there will be debate to ensure it is appropriate.
It was designed specifically this way to prevent any tin pot dictator or politician from proposing and enacting changes due to a hue and cry of the moment to a document which was very well thought out.
If anyone thinks that we, as a country, can disregard both the Constitution, and the mechanism included in it to make changes to the document, then the entire document may be disregarded as the situation dictates. If that is true, we are finished as a Republic.
He wrote that he did. And if he's lost it, getting a replacement is a lot quicker and cheaper than fighting multiple suits in federal court to prevent its release.
BTW, I've never said he was a "usurper."
“Offering well-reasoned discussion will further your position more than rude dismissal of those who do not agree with you.”
AMEN!
Yzerman / Lidstrom in 2012!
Donofrio was asking for the SoS of NJ to do her job. He wasn’t asking for anything else.
Thanks, LucyT
GREAT NEWS AT #544
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Whatever the answer, it's clear that this is driving a wedge into conservativism as everyone who rejects the matter as a dead end is attacked as being part of the conspiracy. So again, the question is, Why would he want to?
bronxboy I have to save food for other trolls. You’ll have to get food from others. That’s socialism for ya.
Ditto that for me,does that mean the Cort case will be heard by the full court?
And by the way, I am not asking to SUE. I am asking that a candidate PRODUCE legal documentation that he is indeed a citizen, as REQUIRED under the Constitution of the United States.
The fact that he did not do so due to a breakdown in communication, bureaucracy or whatever is not important.
The fact that Barack Obama REFUSES to produce proof that he meets the Constitutional requirements of the office says more about him and his followers than it does about me or anyone else who agrees with me.
I will ask again, differently: If required by a court to produce evidence and is unable to do so, should Barack Obama be allowed to take office? Can we overlook the guidelines of the Constitution, just this once?
Kind of like that Selective Service registration that was not done in 1980 like it was made to look, but 08.
Dang. And on September 10 I would have never believed that 11 people could hijack 4 planes and kill thousands of people.
Why is it so hard for people to understand it might be to SOMEONE’s best interest to get Obama in office?
Good one...or bad, depending on how you look at it.
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