Posted on 12/06/2008 9:43:49 PM PST by pissant
The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, an unhinged demagogue on the political fringe who lost a senate election to the then unknown Obama by 42 points should be a warning in itself.
This tempest over whether Obama, the child of an American citizen, was born on American soil is tantamount to the Democrats' seditious claim that Bush "stole" the election in Florida and hence was not the legitimate president. This delusion helped to create the Democrats' Bush derangement syndrome and encouraged Democratic leaders to lie about the origins of the Iraq War, and regard it as illegitimate as Bush himself. It became "Bush's War" rather than an American War with destructive consequences for our troops and our cause.
The Birth Certificate zealots are essentially arguing that 64 million voters should be disenfranchised because of a contested technicality as to whether Obama was born on U.S. soil. (McCain narrowly escaped the problem by being born in the Panama Canal zone, which is no longer American.)
What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?
Conservatives are supposed to respect the organic nature of human societies. Ours has been riven by profound disagreements that have been deepening over many years. We are divided not only about political facts and social values, but also about what the Constitution itself means. The crusaders on this issue choose to ignore these problems and are proposing to deny the will of 64 million voters by appealing to 5 Supreme Court Justices (since no one is delusional enough to think that the 4 liberal justices are going to take the presidency away from Obama). What kind of conservatism is this?
It is not conservatism; it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent. Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it; and get on with the important business of reviving our country's economy and defending its citizens, and -- by the way -- its Constitution.
Well as some else mentioned on another thread, the founding fathers of the United States...adults, dressed up as Indians, seized control of a ship in Boston harbor and dumped tea into the harbor. Not exactly what you would call stable men!
2nd read and I’m thinking he’s doing the same thing Malkin is doing. He’s afraid no one will take him seriously if anyone associates him with people who are interesting in testing Obama’s citizenship. PCism is really taking its toll.
Poor ignorance. So the constitution don’t matter. Let fraud be perpetrated with 600 millions dollars and 60 million of uninformed/careless people.
Stunning ignorance, Mr. Horowitz.
Because it is just the way things are.... Conservatives are not the ones who started this mess, it was a liberal food fight from the beginning. Bama could have ended this drama in one instant by when the Senate 'resolved' itself regarding McCain's standing... But he did not and when one sought to find out who he really is where he has really been everything that would and could tell his legitimate life story got ceremoniously sealed.
I have only been a part time observer of this story unfolding and it was the Bama's army of lawyers quietly defending him and pop ups of so called birth certificates planted as real official certificates on liberal websites, has made me think hmmmmm. Why wouldn't these leftist extremist flaunt themselves against plain writing of the Constitution.
Seems to me Horowitz would be more concerned at the possibility that 66 + million people were deceived into voting for someone NOT eligible to be president. The production of the vaulted birth certificate is not really all that complicated and no persons rights would be violated.
“a contested technicality as to whether Obama was born on U.S. soil. (McCain narrowly escaped the problem by being born in the Panama Canal zone, which is no longer American.”
David Horowitz, I am surprised at you! The words of the US Constitution are hardly a technicality.
If Obama was born in Hawaii, IMHO he is sligible to be POTUS. If he was born elsewhere, he is not eligible.
The procedure for registering children born to Americans living abroad at the nearest US Embassy is widely recognized. The child is automatically a citizen, but whether a “natural born citizen” on matters coinsidering eligibility for POTUS has never really been before the courts.
McCain was born on a US military base, which is technicslly US soil, just like an Embassy is US soil.
I guarantee you that Clear Channel needs Rush more than Rush needs Clear Channel.
Horowitz has a point.
We lost. Get used to it. We lost for all the right reasons. We lost
because our side had embraced big government and pork and turned its
back on bedrock American principles like individual sovereignty and
accountability. We lost because we held both houses of Congress and
the Presidency for several years (excepting the Senate from ‘00-’02
thanks to Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords, and the House and Senate from ‘06-on)
and spent like drunken sailors in a whorehouse. We lost because we
failed to communicate the truths about the war on Terror and the
liberation of Iraq. We lost because we’d made zero progress in energy
independence. We lost because we let the Left demonize CO2 through
pseudoscience and demagoguery, and some on our team even joined in the
chorus. We lost because we’d done nothing to address the looming
bankruptcy of Social Security. We lost because we were impotent on
illegal immigration and vote fraud. We lost because we were too
dainty to rub the electorate’s face in the Community Reinvestment Act
or spotlight the predictable consequences of shoveling millions of
six-figure mortgages to deadbeats, and because Our Side was too polite
to mention the race-baiting mau-mauing of ambitious regulators or
politicians on the take for six-figure contributions from institutions
they were charged to regulate. (Twelve times we tried to bring
Fannie/Freddie under regulatory scrutiny; twelve times our efforts
were rebuffed, and twelve times no one heard the story! Not even
folks like me, who thought they were paying attention yet were caught
as flatfooted as anyone. Astonishing.) We lost because we saddled
business with Sarbanes-Oxley. We lost because we let the Princes of
Armani concoct ever-more-outlandish securities out of gossamer thread.
We lost because the tax system grew more complicated and steeply
“progressive” on our watch, and we did nothing to rein in the runaway
Alternative Minimum Tax. We lost because incandescent lightbulbs
joined toilets that actually flush on the Federal Nanny-State’s list
of forbidden pleasures. And on and on and on and on.
In short, we lost because we didn’t run as recognizable Republicans.
Compare: Chambliss just won his runoff by a huge margin, by running as
an unapologetic conservative Republican; Shays lost because there was
no daylight between him and, say, Joe Biden.
And you know what, part of me is glad we lost. Because we deserved
to, and bad behavior needs consequences. And yet I hear idiots like
Schwarzenegger and, yes, the rejected Shays saying that the problem is
conservatism, in spite of Chambliss’ double-digit triumph. Seems some
kids don’t learn no matter how hard they’re spanked.
Surprised by Horowitz comments here. Any candidate who has not satisfied the simplest of the ‘job requirements’, natural born and over 35, and leads many of those before mentioned 64 million members of the electorate to believe he or she is qualified (and even those that supported another candidate) for the election has defrauded those citizens. If that candidate has in fact not met those simple eligibility standards, even unknowingly, he or she has defied the Constitution. If such a candidate is inaugurated under this perfidy, the office of President is compromised. An extended pattern of behavior demonstrating intent leading to this would be unforgivable.
And don’t forget Kondrake saying earlier tonight that we need Jeb Bush to push us toward moderation. argghhh
Excellent point and 0bama's identity isn't in danger of being stolen either. I see no danger to 0bama in releasing it.
Begged, pleaded with them all, and not a peep.
coup d’état????
Darn right I'm screaming my bloody head off now. This is absurd. Mr. Nowhere Man is headed for the most powerful office in the world, and somebody forgot to verify his resume? Difference is, the mobbing rioting maniacs are more feared than the law of the land.
Mr. Horowitz, you are absolutely correct. We need to put this behind us....so to help facilitate this Mr. Obama needs to produce his Original Birth Certificate, not COLB, and we can all move on.
Maybe it would be wise in the future to prevent these types of posts is to have any and all running for office to show their Original Birth Certificates in order to make it a “Non Issue”
Thank you
What I find troubling is that the Senate passed a resolution in March or April proclaiming McCain a Natural Born Citizen.
Technically, why go to the trouble of voting on McCain's citizen status if they believed he was a natural born citizen in the first place?
Real Conservatives are in favor of this being resolved.
This issue is very telling in that we are now seeing where the rubber meets the road.
Real conservative willing to stand up for the truth. Or just another talking head unable to say a word.
I’ve stopped listening to Rush because he hasn’t been on this issue. No one on conservative talk shows have.
Just because gd million people voted for him doesn’t mean we need to succumb to mob rule. Same applies to “oh no they’ll riot”. So let them riot, I do not care. Let the cities burn, but we are supposed to be a nation of laws.
Oh, BTW Berg is a democrat and he filed the first suit.
You apparently haven't heard that Philip J. Berg is a 911 Truther and filed suit against Bush for this reason.
And... went up against the mightiest army and navy of the day, with pitchforks. All in the name of liberty, freedom, and God! (OH, my!)
But Berg is only one of how many lawsuits now? I have to admit that I have not followed this closely, but we have a guy no one knows a da*ned thing about as our president-elect and that bothers me a lot.
how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?
***Talk about fringe
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