Anti-Obama Fringe to Descend Upon Supreme Court Tomorrow (Libtards in Denial)

ABC ^ | 12/4/08 | Jake Tapper

[pissant]

The justices of the U.S. Supreme Court will tomorrow discuss whether or not it should take up the case of Leo C. Donofrio, Applicant, v. Nina Mitchell Wells, New Jersey Secretary of State, a case that challenges the citizenship of President-elect Obama.

After the Justices meet -- and assuredly decline to hear the matter -- the anti-Obama activists supporting the case will hold a vigil near the steps of the highest Court in the land.

The theory -- which is without evidence -- is that Mr. Obama's birth certificate is faked, and that he was not born in Hawaii but rather Kenya, making him ineligible for the presidency. (Or, alternately, that the birth certificate proves only that Mr. Obama was born at some point, not that he was born in Hawaii.)

The Obama campaign says that's nonsense, that he was born in Hawaii, has a birth certificate, and is a natural born U.S. citizen. Period.

As Hawaii's Pacific Business News reported in October: "The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu. 'There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate,' said Chiyome Fukino. 'State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.' Citing her statutory authority to oversee and maintain Hawaii’s vital records, Fukino said she has 'personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State

[CodeToad]

“Obama has read it. Obama majored in Constitutional Law.”

So? Many lawyers violate the law. I don’t think he gives a damn about the law.

[Boardwalk]

You miss the point about how he can manipulate the situation to his advantage.

[calex59]

Evidently you are brain dead. Being born to a single(a parent without a US citizen spouse)US citizen parent has rules that must be met. In 1961(and until 1986)a person who was born to parents of which only one was a US citizen(this is the case with Bozo)was not a US citizen if the US citizen parent had not resided in the US for 10 years and for 5 years after the age of 14. Bozo's mother did not meet that criteria, therefore if Bozo was born in Kenya he is NOT a US citizen. He is not a natural born citizen and in fact not a citizen at all. This is only if he was not born in Hawaii.

Please, in the future research sh** before you make stupid comments. I have a broken finger and it is extremely difficult and painful to type!

[the invisib1e hand]

“Anti-Obama fringe” — is that the ABC headline? How soon before it becomes a capital crime to blaspheme Obama, peace be upon his scrawny, nappy head?

[johnnycap]

Second thought:

The SCOTUS will not ask for Obama’s birth certificate. If they look at the cases, it’ll be to answer the question, “Who is a legitimate interested party to establishing credentials for state and national political candidates?”

In that vein, they will issue emergency guidelines given the nature of the contest and the upcoming electoral voting...that is if it goes our way. Under those circumstances, they will say that the individual candidate, his/her party and the Secretaries of State of each State must verify the candidate’s qualifications and that verification must be filed with each candidacy application with each Secretary of State’s office. Further, they will say the electoral college must verify this before it votes. Finally, they will say that voters can, upon request, examine the verification materials of each candidate during a certain viewing period before each election. They will also say it’s up to the Secretaries of State and the Electoral College to determine if the documents filed in each case are legitimate and real.

Given all of that, they will remand to the Secretary of State in Donfrio and with that, give a green light to a challenge in all 50 states (57 if you are Obama). They will also hold off the Electoral College long enough for the Secretary of State of New Jersey (where Donofrio was filed I believe), to give her (or him) a week to verify all of Obama’s necessary documents.

New Jersey will kill the deal by saying the docs are legitimate. If the docs are to be proved ilegitimate, that will take place in a state where a Republican is Secretary of State and Governor. They will use the SCOTUS ruling as cover to examine and verify the Obama docs. This may require a second delay in the electoral process.

At that point, if the docs are real and handed over the case is done. If they are not, an independent examiner will question their authenticity and the state will move to hold up the electoral process further. At that point, the other Republican Governor-Secretary of State combos will join in the fray. With that, Obama and the DNC will file suit against the states and to have the process move forward. This will go through the state system in the first state to the Federal District Court and back to the SCOTUS (this will bring us to early January and all hell will be breaking loose by that point). The SCOTUS will remand it back to the states and the electoral college who ultimately will have to rule against the qualifications.

In effect, that will freeze the electoral process and the Constitutional provision for providing another candidate will have to be considered and moved forward on. Look for that to move innauguration to March (March innaugurations have been done before).

It would be interesting to watch, eh?

[dajeeps]

Right, but I think the question is what was the US and Indoneisan law in that respect in 1961 and 1968. If there wasn't a legal issue here that needs some clarification, these former attorneys general wouldn't be pursuing it, and it certainly wouldn't have made it SCOTUS.

[Freedom56v2]

Jake is an idiot! Bump for later reading of informative posts :)

[Ancesthntr]

Now wouldn't that be interesting?

Yes, indeed. He'd still win without the NJ electors.

And then every single person prosecuted or fined under ANY law or EO signed by Obama would immediately challenge based on him not being POTUS. Heck, many people may do so ANYWAY.

Best thing about that would be that it'd be a bit difficult for the Dinosaur Media to ignore THAT.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

That may be the law now, but I don’t believe it was when he was adopted.

It's from the Immigration and Nationalty Act of 1952, although parts of that have been tweaked over the years. If you can show that it wasn't the law then, have at it. In the meantime, it has to stand as the applicable law.

Neither the US nor Indonesia allow dual citizenship,

Wrong.

[calex59]

My mother immigrated here in 1961 and became a citizen in the early 70’s. She is still an Italian citizen and holds an Italian passport as well as a US passport. I even had an Italian (as well as US) passpport until the the age of 17 or so.

You miss the point. The original intent of the founders comes into play. The founders were quite clear that the Presidential candidate(and the actual President)would not have divided loyalties. Having Dual citizenship is a divided loyalty, therefore it can be argued that Bozo, even if he was a Natural born citizen, is not eligible to be President because he has dual citizenship. With all due respects to your mother she was not a Natural born citizen and could not run for President(legally)with or without dual citizenship.

[Publius]

Look for that to move innauguration to March (March innaugurations have been done before).

The Constitution set the start date for an elected president's term as March 4. The 20th Amendment changed that to January 20.

Neither court nor Congress has the authority to change the start date of an elected president's term. It's "hard-coded" into the Constitution.

[Big_Monkey]

Point taken. I’m not sure what’s going to happen tomorrow at SCOTUS. As a purely acedemic matter, I think it’s a fascinating topic - possibly a constitional crisis.

With respect to the dual citizenship issue, I’ve just seen dozens of posts the last few weeks that have simply stated an inaccuracy “The US doesn’t allow for dual citizenship.” Being personally affected, I just felt compelled to make the point that the US does indeed allow for dual citizenship and there are millions that actually have dual citizenship.

[bluescape]

Here's an interesting part of this story from a KURT WILLIAMSEN article in New American

“This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.)”

I'd heard about college material being hard to locate, but I hadn't heard this take on it.

[nufsed]

The secretary of state in Cal says she’s not responsible to quialify candidates. She says it’s the partys who are responsible to select qualified candidates.

[Nachoman]

Even if proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Odumbass is not a natural born citizen, our gov’t is too corrupt to declare him ineligible for president.

[Michael.SF.]

then every single person prosecuted or fined under ANY law or EO signed by Obama would immediately challenge based on him not being POTUS

This is of course all speculative and in all probability will never happen. But just for discussion's sake:

If he was DQ'd from NJ's ballot, and the EC then still chooses to vote him in, he is then POTUS, NJ's votes would not matter. Correct? Take another example. Let's say that a third party candidate qualified for the ballot in the 48 contiguous states. But chose not to be on the ballot in Hawaii and Alaska. What if he then won the election? He would then be POTUS, correct?

[EternalVigilance]

The theory -- which is without evidence -- is that Mr. Obama's birth certificate is faked, and that he was not born in Hawaii but rather Kenya, making him ineligible for the presidency. (Or, alternately, that the birth certificate proves only that Mr. Obama was born at some point, not that he was born in Hawaii.)

A) There is no theory about it. The Constitution requires that the President be a natural born citizen. Obama has not proved that he is.

B) We don't need evidence. Obama does. The burden of proof is on him.

C) The document published by the Obama camp is NOT a birth certificate.

D) It matters little, at least to the question of whether Obama is qualified or not, whether the Obama document is faked or not. It does nothing to prove whether or not Obama is natural born or not.

E) We don't definitively know where Obama was born. That's the point.

So much deception in one short paragraph. Wow.

[EternalVigilance]

The secretary of state in Cal says she’s not responsible to quialify candidates.

I guess she forgot that swearing in ceremony where she swore before God and men to protect and defend the Constitution.

This particular brand of forgetfulness seems to have afflicted our entire legal and political class.

[Tallguy]

Jeeze Jake! Are you thick or just obtuse? Do you even know the difference between a Birth Certificate & a Certificate of Live Birth and the potential significance in this situation?

[pissant]

I will add that I firmly beleive based on the evidence that the COLB is indeed a forgery. And if that is so, that would very well explain WHY the marxist refuses to release the original.