Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2
By James Wright
AFRO Staff Writer
(December 3, 2008) - In a highly unusual move, U.S. Associate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has asked his colleagues on the court to consider the request of an East Brunswick, N.J. attorney who has filed a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obamas status as a United States citizen.
Thomass action took place after Justice David Souter had rejected a petition known as an application for a stay of writ of certiorari that asked the court to prevent the meeting of the Electoral College on Dec. 15, which will certify Obama as the 44th president of the United States and its first African-American president.
The court has scheduled a Dec. 5 conference on the writ -- just 10 days before the Electoral College meets.
The high courts only African American is bringing the matter to his colleagues as a result of the writ that was filed by attorney Leo Donofrio. Donofrio sued the New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Wells, contending that Obama was not qualified to be on the states presidential ballot because of Donofrios own questions about Obama citizenship.
Donofrio is a retired lawyer who identifies himself as a citizens advocate. The AFRO learned that he is a contributor to naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com, a Web site that raises questions about Obamas citizenship.
Calls made to Donofrios residence were not returned to the AFRO by press time.
Donofrio is questioning Obamas citizenship because the former Illinois senator, whose mom was from Kansas, was born in Hawaii and his father was a Kenyan national. Therefore, Donofrio argues, Obamas dual citizenship does not make Obama a natural born citizen as required by Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution, which states:
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President
...to prevent the meeting of the Electoral College on Dec. 15, which
will certify Obama as the 44th president of the United States...
Donofrio had initially tried to remove the names not only of Obama, but also the names of Republican Party presidential nominee John McCain and Socialist Workers Party Roger Calero from appearing on the Nov. 4 general election ballot in his home state of New Jersey.
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it was a U.S. possession. Calero would be ineligible to be president because he was born in Nicaragua.
After his efforts were unsuccessful in the New Jersey court system, he decided to take his case to a higher level.
On Nov. 6, Souter denied the stay. Donofrio, following the rules of the procedure for the Supreme Court, re-submitted the application as an emergency stay in accordance to Rule 22, which states, in part, that an emergency stay can be given to another justice, which is the choice of the petitioner.
Donofrios choice was Thomas. He submitted the emergency stay to Thomass office on Nov. 14. Thomas accepted the application on Nov. 19 and on that day, submitted it for consideration by his eight colleagues - known as a conference - and scheduled it for Dec. 5.
On Nov. 26, a supplemental brief was filed by Donofrio to the clerks office of the Supreme Court. A letter to the court explaining the reason for the emergency stay was filed on Dec. 1 at the clerks office.
Thomass actions were rare because, by custom, when a justice rejects a petition from his own circuit, the matter is dead. Even if, as can be the case under Rule 22, the matter can be submitted to another justice for consideration, that justice out of respect, will reject it also, said Trevor Morrison, a professor of law at Columbia University School of Law.
Morrison said that Thomass actions are once in a decade. When that does happen, the case has to be of an extraordinary nature and this does not fit that circumstance, he said. My guess would be that Thomas accepted the case so it would go before the conference where it will likely be denied. If Thomas denied the petition, then Donofrio would be free to go to the other justices for their consideration.
This way, I would guess, the matter would be done with. Petitions of Donofrios types are hardly ever granted.
Traditionally, justices do not respond to media queries, according to a spokesman from the Supreme Court Public Information Office.
Thomas was appointed to the Supreme Court by President George H.W. Bush in 1991 and has been one of its most conservative members.
Before his ascension to the court, he was appointed by Bush to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. Earlier, he served as chairman of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission - appointed by President Reagan - and worked various jobs under former Republican Sen. John Danforth.
It would take a simple majority of five justices to put Donofrios emergency stay on the oral argument docket. Because it is an emergency by design, the argument would take place within days.
Donofrio wants the court to order the Electoral College to postpone its Dec. 15 proceedings until it rules on the Obama citizenship. He is using the 2000 case Bush vs. Gore case as precedent, arguing that it is of such compelling national interest that it should be given priority over other cases on the courts docket.
The same conditions apply here, Donofrio said in his letter to the court, as the clock is ticking down to Dec. 15, the day for the Electoral College to meet.
Audrey Singer, a senior fellow at Washingtons Brookings Institution, who is an expert on immigration, said that the Donofrio matter is going nowhere.
There is no way that anyone can argue about whether Barack Obama is a citizen, Singer said. In this country, we have a system known as jus soli or birthright by citizenship. You are a citizen by being born on American soil and he (Obama) was born in Hawaii.
Singer said that Donofrios argument that Obamas father was a Kenyan national does not matter because citizenship is not based on parentage, but on where someone was born.
This is the issue that some people have with illegal aliens in our country, she said. Children of illegal aliens, if they are born in the United States, are U.S. citizens. That is in the U.S. Constitution.
What law says that? It certainly isn't defined that way in the COTUS.
Obama’s mother was under 21 when he was born and his father was not a US citizen. That’s why he’s not a natural born citizen.
Not at all. He was born to two Americans in what was an American protectorate.
The difference with Obama is we really don't know what nationality either parent was, nor where he was actually born.
We might know that, but he's spent about half a mil on lawyers to keep it secret.
That would seem to be, um, a cause for some concern.
Where do you get your information from Chet99?
I’ve listened to everyone of Donofrio’s tapes and he’s cited the law where it states you have to be a natural born citizen to take POTUS. And the law where it states natural born MEANS to have been born of two American citizens.
Go listen to him talk before you speak.
http://grou.ps/zapem - all the audios are in the Radio/Audio section on that website, but there’s two good ones on the front page. He’s gone over this a zillion times, yet few people have educated themselves at all to take the time to listen to him.
If they are not 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof', how can they be illegal aliens? Are they all diplomats from 'Illegal Alienistan' with diplomatic immunity?
When they examine his BC, if they find it is not valid, Thomas will be screwed for the rest of his life. He will be seen as a traitor to his race. I would fear for his life as there are some who would wish him harm for enforcing our constitution.
Thank God for true patriots.
....The children of illegal aliens are most certainly NOT “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, and are NOT US citizens by circumstance of birth on American soil.....
Anyone in the US, with extremely limited exception, is “subject to the jurisdiction therof.”
ANYONE born on sovereign US soil is a citizen without qualification. Now, if they can be President or not just may be litigated for the first time in over 225 years shortly.
Right, wrong or indifferent, children of illegal immigrants are citizens of the US, if born in this country.
I wish I had read further. Your post sums it up perfectly.
Sorry!
We've got a few different classes of citizen here. Arnold is a "made" citizen, in that he is naturalized. Literally "made natural".
Then, there are people who merely qualify as a US citizen. These are people, who through the circumstance of their birth, are US citizens, but not Natural Born Citizens, such as American children born of parents in foreign countries, and not on the soil of a US embassy, or military base. I've got two brothers who fall into that category.
Then, you've got children born to one US parent, and one foreign parent on US soil, as is the purported case with Obama. Donofrio's case contends that he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen because of the citizenship of his father, who was a Kenyan national and subject of Great Britain.
Obama's personal case is even tougher, because under the citizenship laws at the time, his mother could not have conveyed US citizenship to him, because she had not lived for a period of ten years in the United States, five of them being after the age of 14. She was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born.
The hard-core Obots don't give a damn about any of our citizenship laws, or the US Constitution. They want their Messiah, no matter what laws have to be broken to anoint him Emperor.
Bah, sorry Chet. I think I responded to the wrong person, you.
I’m going to bed. This is making me dizzy.
That's okay, you can borrow mine.
The US citizenship laws on the books at the time of Obama's birth said that in order to convey US citizenship to a child born of a US citizen and a foreign national, that the US citizen parent had to have lived within the US for a period of ten years, five of those being after the age of 14.
Obama's mother would have had to have been 19 at his birth to confer US citizenship on him, per the law. However, she was 18 at the time of Obama's birth, so couldn't possibly have conveyed US citizenship to him, even if he was born in Honolulu.
That’s okay, you can borrow mine (cite).
So this citation from “The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act)”
“a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years”
This citation proves that because Obama was NOT born in America, and his mother was under 21, and his father was not a US citizen, he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, and therefore cannot serve as President.
That is what Judge Thomas and the other members of the Supreme Court will decide and John McCain will become President. Whether Biden or Palin will serve as VP will be up to the Supremes too. (I hope it’s Palin.)
Simple. They are "subject to the jurisdiction" of a foreign power, not the US, hence they're not US citizens, but citizens of that country whose jurisdiction they are subject to.
Totally correct!
We can all be citizen, even I born in DK!!
But we are NOT "natural" born citizen, and because of that, neither I or Hussein are eligible to become President, pure and simple and PERIOD!!!
1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.
"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States".
I wonder, how many FFs participated in the construction and passing of this law? First Congress, just a few years after the COTUS was ratified. Seems the meaning was clear enough then.
This law has been superceeded, dropping the redundant term 'natural born' and becoming gender neutral (citizen parent rather than citizen father), and was this in 1961:
1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).
"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years."
Note the phrase 'citizen at birth' meaning 'having citizenship from birth' or 'natural born' that is used. Note also the section where it discusses the residency requirements for the citizen parent when the other parent is an alien: ten years a resident, five after the age of fourteen. This is where Obama may fail to qualify. His mother was only 18 years 8 months and 6 days old, meaning that without taking into consideration all the travel and other time out of the US she could have, at most, been a resident after the age of 14 for 4 years 8 months and 6 days. Several months short.
Since you are familiar with the information and where it might be found, can you cite the specifics if that law? I've been hunting the specific reference for a while now with no luck.
Father, you have blessed this nation greatly and at this moment we are being tested. I ask for your divine providence to guide us through the dark days ahead. God forgive us for all the ways we fail you. We thank you for the many answers to prayer. No matter what the outcome, we know that your Truth and Love will always prevail. A-men.
Maybe for a time, but as the full catalog of sordid facts emerge about Barry Obama, the animosity toward Justice Thomas will recede. In time, folks will understand that he performed a valiant, and honorable service for his country.
In our history, Obama will find company among our traitors and enemies, while Clarence Thomas will take his rightful place among our most cherished guardians and heroes.
Don't be. Glad for the company.
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