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Helium evidence for a young world continues to confound critics
CMI ^ | November 29, 2008 | D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

Posted on 12/03/2008 10:38:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

My part of the RATE initiative, in collaboration with fellow RATE researchers Steve Austin, John Baumgardner, and Andrew Snelling, was to explain the remarkable retention of helium observed in radioactive crystals in granitic rocks. I showed that the retention is evidence that the usual radioactivity-based billion-year ages for such rocks are grossly wrong, and that the rocks are only 6000 (± 2000) years old. Even before I finished the project, critics began sniping at it. The critics are usually atheists or professing Christians with various old-earth views. They are very disturbed about the project’s strong support of the young biblical age of the earth. Table 1 lists their criticisms and my responses. In September, 2008, another such criticism appeared on a ‘progressive creation’ website, and I’ll discuss it below.

The criticisms show the attackers think the research is good enough to be a threat to them. But it has been only recently that I’ve seen God’s purpose in the attacks. He apparently uses the criticisms (and creationist answers) to help believers evaluate our research, just as an assayer uses acid (and a bright light) to show there is gold in a sample...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; helium; intelligentdesign; scientism
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1 posted on 12/03/2008 10:38:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/03/2008 10:39:01 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

And it’s flat too!


3 posted on 12/03/2008 10:43:21 AM PST by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts
Fuzzy thinking ~ Bishop Usher came up with a PRECISE Bible-based date, and this guy wants everyone to believe in 2,000 year slopover one way or the other.

Bah, humbug!

4 posted on 12/03/2008 10:43:35 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Wacka

Perhaps to a Temple of Darwin fanatic. They’ll believe almost anything, as long as it excludes God.


5 posted on 12/03/2008 10:44:40 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: muawiyah

It’s my birthday, too. I’ve always has a soft spot for the bishop for his recognition of my importance to the universe.


6 posted on 12/03/2008 10:45:31 AM PST by js1138
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To: muawiyah

You should read the whole paper...quite interesting!

PS the plus or minus 2000 yrs is as close as science can get at the moment. Of you want a more precise measurement, read the Bible :o)


7 posted on 12/03/2008 10:47:00 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
What is God's relativistic inertial reference frame?

What was the gravitational environment of the early universe?

A single meson can simultaneously be 2.22 microseconds old and over 10 microseconds old, depending on where you put the clock.

8 posted on 12/03/2008 10:47:45 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You’re trying to have it both ways.


9 posted on 12/03/2008 10:49:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

No, he’s saying that current science is too inadequate to reveal the truth of God’s creation (as has historically been the case),

there’s no “both ways” to that.


10 posted on 12/03/2008 10:51:10 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MrB
When you have to interpret your candidate's words he's always in trouble.
11 posted on 12/03/2008 10:55:35 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts
The criticisms show the attackers think the research is good enough to be a threat to them.

Hmmm.

The fact that you criticize me is proof that my work is good.

Yeah, I can go with that...

NOT

12 posted on 12/03/2008 10:56:56 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: muawiyah

Hmmm... seems someone is making an analogy between a human and the Creator, either elevating a politician to the level of someone we can’t possibly understand because of their superiority (leftist thinking), or discounting the omnipotence of the Creator.

Either way, you’re not on firm ground.


13 posted on 12/03/2008 10:58:58 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: mvpel

See Dr. Humphey’s book “Starlight and Time”, and Dr. Hartnett’s book, “Starlight, Time and the New Physics.” If nothing else, it would be a great place to start to begin getting answers to your relativistic questions—GGG


14 posted on 12/03/2008 11:01:38 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: MrB
I was referring to your "earthly" candidate, not God. There are proponents on this thread of a supposed scientific (look at the gas, look at the gas, it's in the rocks) analysis that "proves" (with a nearly 70% error) a 6,000 year old Earth.

I have genes older than that, and even some of the stories in the Bible can be cross referenced with pictoglyphs in Finland and Russia that indicate a FAR OLDER time for just those stories.

15 posted on 12/03/2008 11:03:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: mvpel

Are you saying that the earth could be four billion “man” years old but also be 6000 “God” years old?


16 posted on 12/03/2008 11:04:02 AM PST by E=MC2
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To: mvpel

From God’s perspective, 6 days.
From our perspective (in a universe expanding near the speed of light), 4 billion years.

There’s now discrepancy, only misunderstanding on our part.


17 posted on 12/03/2008 11:06:26 AM PST by DManA
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To: E=MC2

You bet.


18 posted on 12/03/2008 11:06:45 AM PST by DManA
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To: GodGunsGuts

I believe that science cannot disprove God. Of course God exists, and science is simply the study of the mechanisms that God created.

However certain creationists, the same ones who know that Jesus taught using parables, assert that Genesis cannot be anything like a parable.

So now they’re stuck with a 6000 year old Earth and have to use a lot of really bad science to back their assertion.

Then the atheists come along and are more than happy to knock down this strawman. Willing to take part in a logical fallacy, they claim that this is proof that God doesn’t exist.

Both sides are really sad to watch.


19 posted on 12/03/2008 11:08:44 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: mvpel
What is God's relativistic inertial reference frame?

Correct. The following link shows that young/old universe depends on your relativistic frame of reference:

Age of the Universe

20 posted on 12/03/2008 11:10:52 AM PST by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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