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An Ugly Attack on Mormons
article.nationalreview.com ^ | December 3, 2008 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by Publius804

An Ugly Attack on Mormons

The easiest targets for an organized campaign against religious freedom of conscience.

By Jonah Goldberg

Did you catch the political ad in which two Jews ring the doorbell of a nice working-class family? They barge in and rifle through the wife’s purse and then the man’s wallet for any cash. Cackling, they smash the daughter’s piggy bank and pinch every penny. “We need it for the Wall Street bailout!” they exclaim.

No? Maybe you saw the one with the two swarthy Muslims who knock on the door of a nice Jewish family and then blow themselves up?

No? Well, then surely you saw the TV ad in which two smarmy Mormon missionaries knock on the door of an attractive lesbian couple. “Hi, we’re from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!” says the blond one with a toothy smile. “We’re here to take away your rights.” The Mormon zealots yank the couple’s wedding rings from their fingers and then tear up their marriage license.

As the thugs leave, one says to the other, “That was too easy.” His smirking comrade replies, “Yeah, what should we ban next?” The voice-over implores viewers: “Say no to a church taking over your government.”

Obviously, the first two ads are fictional because no one would dare run such anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim attacks.

The third ad, however, was real. It was broadcast throughout California on Election Day as part of the effort to rally opposition to Proposition 8, the initiative that successfully repealed the right to same-sex marriage in the state.

What was the reaction to the ad? Widespread condemnation? Scorn? Rebuke? Tepid criticism?

Nope.

The Los Angeles Times, a principled opponent of Proposition 8, ran an editorial lamenting that the “hard-hitting commercial” was too little, too late.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: christians; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; ldschurch; mormon; mormons; prop8; samesexmarriage
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To: Edit35
How sad.

Cry all you want: vote for whoewver you want.

ALL I said was that SOME things are MORE important!

Matthew 16:26
What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

241 posted on 12/03/2008 12:52:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Think about it a while. I will come to you.


242 posted on 12/03/2008 12:53:45 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: FormerLib

I’m proud of the Mormons for standing up for what they believe and I stand shoulder to shoulder with them against those who would take out their anger at losing (prop 8) against them.


243 posted on 12/03/2008 12:54:54 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: MHGinTN
I’ve been witness to plenty of Mormon bashers here on FR, and they sould be ashamed of themselves.

3posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:02:10 PM by GVnana

We were attracted to the TarBaby early!

244 posted on 12/03/2008 12:55:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broncobilly
I believe the only thing in the Apostles Creed Mormons would not accept are the words “Holy Catholic Church.”

That's because they do NOT know what the word catholic means.

245 posted on 12/03/2008 12:56:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broncobilly
Mormons strongly believe in the divinity of Christ.

Then WHEN did Jesus become devine?

246 posted on 12/03/2008 12:57:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broncobilly
Go to Wikipedia on the Nicene Creed and search for “anathema.”

Why?

You stated something - I proved you wrong.

247 posted on 12/03/2008 12:58:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: netmilsmom

As a Christian it is my duty to spread the Gospel. If I see someone whose theology is so flawed it impedes their salvation, do I not have an obligation to tell them the truth? I would be remiss if I didn’t in the same way I would be remiss if I saw a house on fire and didn’t warn the people inside.


248 posted on 12/03/2008 12:58:50 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Elsie

I was glad to see Jonah Goldberg wasn’t trashing the Mormons.


249 posted on 12/03/2008 1:00:28 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; MHGinTN
Yup — I’m right behind you!

I'm stayin'


1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

250 posted on 12/03/2008 1:00:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry; netmilsmom

I think people generally tend to feel bashed when someone publicly disagrees with their heartfelt beliefs. I know when I was in the process of leaving the Catholic Church, I STILL didn’t like to hear people say bad things about it, even tho I disagreed with much of what the church believed. And, people tend to want to call disagreement hate.
On the other hand, I have seen occasions where heated arguments got a little ugly. But, I see that no matter what the posters are arguing about, it’s not just Mormons or religion. I myself need to always check my heart before I post, and I admit I don’t.


251 posted on 12/03/2008 1:02:00 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Old Mountain man

NOW them Baptists and Presbyterians are gonna get it!!!


252 posted on 12/03/2008 1:02:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Scotswife
What the gays really want is for churches to be declared “hate” organizations and shut down.

Where do you find that information?

A wee bit of hyperbole here?

Some of the gays that I have known in my life I met at church, AND I might add at mormon churches.

While I don't approve of what the gays are doing, I think the tendency to demonize them overlooks the fact that they are US citizens, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters and as YET are not required to wear a gold star on their sleeve.

An awfully lot of posts on FR would appear to want to do away with their rights as citizens because they are availing themselves of First Amendment rights.

253 posted on 12/03/2008 1:08:05 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: broncobilly
But if you want to call that one, at least allow others to see it differently without condemning them and calling them non-Christian.

NIV Galatians 1:8-9
8. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
9. As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

The BIBLE quite accurately described how the Book of Mormon was delivered.

Don't blame ME for 'condemning' MORMONism!

254 posted on 12/03/2008 1:10:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“Then WHEN did Jesus become devine?”
Let me guess, it’s different than what you believe? That’s not that big of deal, Elsie. Practically everyone has at least a slightly different view of Jesus Christ.

You have already pointed out you feel Mormon belief in Jesus Christ is too different to count as belief in Jesus Christ. Please stop spamming that point. I, of course, disagree.

If mainstream protestantism is how Jesus Christ wants things, then I certainly hope He will accept my faith as being sufficient for His Grace to apply to me.

If The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true, then I certainly hope your belief is sufficient for His Grace to apply to you.


255 posted on 12/03/2008 1:11:11 PM PST by acipher
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To: acipher
NEVER once has the LDS Church said they are the ones that are responsible for the Prop 8 victory.

True; but some of it's MEMBERS sure put forth that story!!!



256 posted on 12/03/2008 1:13:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: acipher
Elsie, your posts are feeling like SPAM. Anti-Mormon SPAM.

BIBLE quotes and MORMON leader's quotes tend to do that...

257 posted on 12/03/2008 1:14:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

It really is quite ironic that the gays are accusing the Mormons of hate, the Mormons are accusing the gays of hate, and the Mormons are accusing their own detractors of hate.

All these charges of hatred are simply a means of shutting down healthy debate - a vital component of free speech.

If Mormons continue to try and squelch freedom of speech, they might find THEMSELVES under charges of hate speech against the gay community.


258 posted on 12/03/2008 1:17:53 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: acipher
NEVER once has the LDS Church said they are the ones that are responsible for the Prop 8 victory.

 
To: Publius804

God bless the Mormons. They are the only ones willing to take on the Sodomites.

We’ve shown the gays tolerance. That isn’t good enough. They have their bathhouses and their diseases. They want to marry and adopt kids. We have taken votes on it. When they lose, they get violent or go to the courts and have the people’s will overturned.

The Mormons have immense courage and I applaud them. Almost no church will stand up to the homosexuals anymore. They should be absolutely praised for their willingness to stand against this evil.

58 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:08:23 PM by Luke21 

 

259 posted on 12/03/2008 1:18:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arguendo
Stating that Mormons are not real Christians is not the same thing as Mormon bashing, though there was some real Mormon bashing during the primaries.

So stating that Jews are not people is not bashing Jews? (My apologies to any Jews who might be offended)

Mormons believe in Jesus Christ (learn before you post).

Mormons are not "Orthodox Christians" but they are most definitely Christian.
260 posted on 12/03/2008 1:18:40 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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