Posted on 12/01/2008 6:31:33 AM PST by ckilmer
Of course, all of these constitutional issues pale in comparison with the controversy that continues to simmer around Barack Obama’s place of birth. Contrary to what his supporters claim, Obama has never produced his original birth certificate. What he has offered is a “Certificate of live Birth” which does not name the doctor or hospital who delivered him, only registers his birth. There are now lawsuits in over a half dozen states calling on election officials not to certify Obama’s electoral votes until the questions are resolved. Rather than produce the document and silence his critics for good, Obama continues to stonewall, refusing to unseal his birth certificate.
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“I agree, but we must be candid about what to expect if an ‘inconvenient truth’ is revealed.”
You ARE kidding, right?
Incapacitated, even.
My own “starting point” for the death of the Constitution was John Adams’ signing of the “Alien and Sedition Acts” (June/July 1798).
However, I think what Mr. Obeyme has in mind for us will make us yearn for those days.
No, I’m not kidding. If Obama is proven to have been ineligible to be President, expect race riots — perhaps even a civil war.
We were close to degenerating into mob rule in 2000, remember?
The Courts will be more than reluctant to take this up and will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to make a Constitutional determination on this.
But if the evidence is clear, they will have no choice and we will have to be prepared for what comes next.
I agree. Help us to get to the truth, have that truth revealed and then help us survive the aftermath and rebuild. In the mean time: pray, stock up, repeat as necessary.
He might. It certainly wouldn't automatically go to Biden or anything crazy like that.
A Kentucky truck driver?? Oh please! He obviously has no STANDING whatever, being just a simple American citizen. I mean, who does he think he is...a community organizer??!!
“No, I’m not kidding. If Obama is proven to have been ineligible to be President, expect race riots — perhaps even a civil war...But if the evidence is clear, they will have no choice and we will have to be prepared for what comes next.”
Americans are always ready to take on this kind of threat, regardless of what the media might have us believe. And it IS a threat...and we WILL prevail...and the cost be damned.
That's true. I was thinking back as far as Lincoln suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus during the War of Northern Aggression. Plenty of examples throughout the years, that's for sure.
However, I think what Mr. Obeyme has in mind for us will make us yearn for those days.
Yeah, but he can't do all of it alone. He'll have lots of help on both sides of the aisle and in the courts. I suppose that's what happens when you go from a citizen legislative body to one populated by career politicians who've never done anything besides run for office and use the people's money to pad their own wallets....
Have you seen this?
The fundamental aim of people with radical backgrounds such as the SDS, Weatherpeople, Communists, Black Radical Marxist Muslims is:
To create chaos, thus giving opportunity for power.
Reflect that BO is a lawyer, with area of Constitutional Law specialty.
That this confrontation also facilitates the vision of unified US, Canada, and mexico is an unholy alliance.
Star Trek has the BORG characters, “Prepare to be assimulated”, “Resistance is Futile” photoshop of BO as a borg, anyone?
Interesting.
“Again, you rival the powers of Captian Obvious. Which law would someone have to break, and how serious would it be before you would think it is justifiable to stand up for the United States Constitutional...are or we all just going to do a “Bernard Shaw” and hide under a table?”
Did I advocate overlooking the Constitution for fear of race riots? I’m just telling you what to expect. Prepare yourselves by whatever means you deem appropriate, of course.
I think this is really the answer. Obama cannot be scrutinized any more thoroughly than any other candidate. If the “requirement” is certification of birth by a state in the USA, then the eligibility requirements have been satisfied. Were any of the other candidates required to produce “original” BC, or was a COLB issued by the state of their birth sufficient? The state of Hawaii has “authorized” that the orignial BC is on file in the “vault” in the dept of vital statistics in Hawaii. Anyone requesting a proof of birth receives a COLB or equivalent, and not a copy of the original. I live in SC and if I request a copy of my BC, I recieve a wallet sized “Birth Certification Card” and not a copy of the orignial “Birth Certificate” with parents names, hospital, and delivering physician. I think the question is what was accepted by the other candidates as verification of US citzenship and of being “natural born”. If no one else was required to deliver an actual birth certificate, but were allowed to show a COLB, or Birth Certification Card, then Obama should not be singled out and required to provide more proof than the other candidates.
These threads sure bring out the Obongo zombies.
They should realize they’re not going to change any minds or do any harm here.
“Americans are always ready to take on this kind of threat, regardless of what the media might have us believe. And it IS a threat...and we WILL prevail...and the cost be damned.”
I am not advocating that we overlook the Constitution for the sake of ‘peace’.
And the cost? The rioters are not going to be attacking big guys in pickup trucks sporting NRA stickers. They will cowardly go after easier targets — the elderly, women, children.
The Democratic Party and the Media has put us all at risk of this and more by not vetting Obama properly during the nomination process when this info should have been explored.
On another thread there is a more precise listing of the various documents in Hawaii for recording birth.
In particular there is a distinction between
Certificate of Live Birth
and
Certification of Live Birth.
The first ‘Certificate’ above does not validate birth in the Hawaiian Islands, only that a birth was recorded and registered with the Hawaiian office.
The second ‘Certification’ above is an actual validation that the birth occurred on Hawaiian soil.
Obama released a ‘Certificate’ not a ‘Certification’.
And now we have evidence online of many persons not born in Hawaii that have Hawaiian ‘Certificates’, not ‘Certification’. One prominent example is that of Sun Yat-sen, the Chinese Nationalist.
OTOH, In The CA (Keyes case) he points out that BO birth has been assigned to three different locations and one person can only be born in one location.
Berg's case (PA) is the only one that I recall that directly names BO and the DNC as defendants and charges that they have defrauded the American People. It contains affidavits from his grandmother that she was present at his birth in Kenya.
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