Update on Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Issue

Right Side News ^ | November 30, 2008

[Red Steel]

Citizenship Issue on MSNBC Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth.

This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

A natural born citizen, would not be a citizen of any other nation than the United States. That is what "natural born" means. By nature, the child, would be only a US citizen, because both of his parents were US citizens, and NO OTHER NATION, can by law claim him to be under their jurisdiction, at the moment of his birth. That was not the case with Obama. He was, by law, a Citizen of the United Kingdom, the moment he was born, and then, by law, he became a citizen of Kenya on Dec. 12, 1963.

For a more detailed explaination of natural born citizen, see my other related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKN...

[bvw]

Oh ... we have NO IDEA what his grades were. We do know that at Occidental and in high school Obama had been involved with drugs and booze. Why? He himself has said that.

So would his Occidental grade really be that good? Ivy Legaue good?

[Sherman Logan]

I agree. Remember all the hollering about Bush’s grades?

None about Obama’s, because nobody ever saw them.

[bvw]

I think Obama's cabinet picks are a special pleading to any court that would hear the issue of his missing records, and challenge to his qualifications.

[seekthetruth]

NEW THREAD! PLEASE READ!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141298/posts

[utahagen]

I hope the SCOTUS ask for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. I don't think the passport would necessarily list where he was actually born.

[utahagen]

“You are claiming the man is guilty with no proof and that it is he that must prove his innocence.” I have not asserted that Obama is guilty of any crime. I do assert, though, that Obama and everyone who runs for president must release valid copies of their birth certificates to demonstrate they meet the constitutional requirements to hold the office. I have submitted my own birth certificate many times in my life when starting a new job, getting a passport, etc. I didn’t think asking for my birth certificate meant anyone was accusing me of a crime and making me prove my innocence.

[Sparko]

< < crickets > >

[trumandogz]

I don't think the passport would necessarily list where he was actually born.

You may want to pull out your U.S. Passport to see that it actually does list where you were born. If I look at my own U.S. Passport, it lists the country of my birth which was not the U.S.

If Obama was born in Kenya, his U.S. Passport would state that fact.

[CaribouCrossing]

“< < crickets > >”

I noticed that. Every time I have asked that question of those who don’t believe this issue is important, I hear only crickets. Apparently they don’t have the answer, or don’t want to admit that there isn’t a good enough reason for Obama to keep hiding his birth certificate. The only obvious reason is that he’s hiding something so important that it would bring about his defeat.

[CaribouCrossing]

“I hope the SCOTUS ask for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. I don’t think the passport would necessarily list where he was actually born.”

I don’t know if a passport shows where someone was actually born since I’ve never had a passport, but even if it does, that passport is only as accurate as the document he presented at the time. It is obvious that he and his handlers don’t have a problem with providing forgeries.

[Sparko]

See
http://iceland.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/5aRpQq_8C35lfE91vrCJZg/epassport.jpg
for sample of US Passport.
It shows place of birth and date of birth

[CaribouCrossing]

Thanks, Sparko.

[aruanan]

The 1790 law dealt with citizens born overseas. It imposed no requirement that someone born in the US needed to be born to two citizens to be considered natural-born.

The re-written law does not mention the term natural-born. However, that does not mean the US has three categories of citizen- US law only recognizes two categories of citizen: naturalized (who do not qualify to be President) and citizen from birth (who do).

The idea that one must be born in the country and to parents who are both citizens of that country to be a natural born citizen of that country was common knowledge amongst those who wrote the Constitution. From The Law of Nature and of Nations, Samuel Pufendorf (1674, tr. Basil Kennett 1703) which John Adams thought to be authoritative:

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

[SatinDoll]

And mucho bovine excrement to you, too!

The divorce papers of Senator Obama’s mother from Lolo Soetoro prove that Barry Soetoro is the Senator’s legal name. He was adopted by his stepfather, an Indonesian citizen, and as a child became a citizen of Indonesia:

http://usatodayadforobamarecords.blogspot.com/2008/11/soetoro-divorce-papers-reveal-obama-was.html

That is why he refuses to make his official BC in Hawaii public: his legal name isn’t the one he used to run for public office.

[Sherman Logan]

There is no mechanism whereby a child can have his American citizenship status altered by any action of the child or his parents.

Whether he was an Indonesian citizen under Indonesian law due to an adoption is quite irrelevant to his status under American law as a citizen.

It is not easy to lose American citizenship. One must take precise actions, as an adult, that unequivocally indicate an intention to renounce American citizenship. There is no evidence that Obama ever took any such action.

I agree his refusal to release original BC is odd, and that he is hiding something. Whatever it is, it’s likely to be embarassing rather than disqualifying.

In any case, his original BC wouldn’t show anything with regard to Indonesia, as he was six when he went there.

[SatinDoll]

You are assuming that he didn’t get an Indonesian passport as an adult. He traveled to Pakistan, India, and elsewhere in 1981. He was adopted by his stepfather and did have Indonesian citizenship - see the following:

http://usatodayadforobamarecords.blogspot.com/2008/11/soetoro-divorce-papers-reveal-obama-was.html

He received a U.S. passport upon becoming a Senator (you have to turn in your old one when you get a new one). The question would be, did he have an old U.S. one to turn in. It would be odd, for someone who traveled as a child and as a young adult, if he did not have a U.S. passport. But, of course, he was an Indonesian citizen until age eighteen. Or was he an Indonesian citizen as an adult, too?

As an adult of 20 years (1981) he would have had to repudiate his U.S. citizenship to get an Indonesian passport, as Indonesia doesn’t recognize dual citizenship. Before going to Pakistan, Obama went to Indonesia and was there three weeks. Why? His mother wasn’t there, she was in Pakistan working for U.S.Aid, or Hawaii getting a divorce (depends upon which source you want to believe!).

Records at the State Department would be very important for the Supreme Court to review, to see if he had a U.S. passport for those years. Being the citizen of a foreign nation then coming to the United States and NOT becoming naturalized would definitely result in deportation. Forget being President!

Since Senator Obama considers himself a “citizen of the world”, I imagine he wouldn’t have thought twice about repudiating U.S. citizenship in his 20’s.

Birth certificate, grade school records, University admission and grade records - he is sure hiding a hell of a lot of documentation for someone who promised transparency as a candidate!

[Citizen Blade]

The idea that one must be born in the country and to parents who are both citizens of that country to be a natural born citizen of that country was common knowledge amongst those who wrote the Constitution.

Then they could have put that language in the Constitution, but they didn't. That requirement exists nowhere in either the Constitution or in Federal law. A treatise from 1703 is not a legitimate source for this issue.

And, let's not forget the 14th Amendment, which made it clear that anyone born in the US is a citizen.

[Citizen Blade]

Once you become a Naturalized citizen you are agreeing to give up your native citizenship and you are declaring your allegiance to the United States.

Naturalized citizens are not required to give up their previous citizenship(s). I became a naturalized US citizen in 2007, and was legally allowed to keep my two other existing citizenships.

You are then subject to the jurisdiction of.

Except for diplomats and maybe some Indians living on reservations, everyone present within the territory of the United States is subject to its jurisdiction.

Think about it, if you are here illegally, under whose protection are you?

Illegals are fully protected under the US Constitution.

[Sloth]

A natural born citizen, would not be a citizen of any other nation than the United States. That is what "natural born" means.

That is simply false. Stop saying it. "Natural born citizen" means a U.S. citizen at birth, i.e., not requiring naturalization. Dual citizenship has no bearing.

[Red Steel]

Not my quote. You better go complain to the guys at Right Side News to quit saying it. I doubt they'd listen to you. However, you may not have understood what they are saying. That statement you italicized has nothing to do with a naturalized citizen. It simply says you cannot be a citizen of another county and be defined as natural born in accordance with the U.S. Constitution.

BTW, I have the same opinion as Leo Donofrio on what a 'natural born citizen' is. And Donofrio has a case, docket 08A407, that will be discuss by the Supreme Court on December 5th.