Posted on 11/30/2008 6:09:20 PM PST by Red Steel
Citizenship Issue on MSNBC Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth.
This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year.
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
A natural born citizen, would not be a citizen of any other nation than the United States. That is what "natural born" means. By nature, the child, would be only a US citizen, because both of his parents were US citizens, and NO OTHER NATION, can by law claim him to be under their jurisdiction, at the moment of his birth. That was not the case with Obama. He was, by law, a Citizen of the United Kingdom, the moment he was born, and then, by law, he became a citizen of Kenya on Dec. 12, 1963.
For a more detailed explaination of natural born citizen, see my other related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKN...
The Supreme Court appears to be readying itself to address the issue. South Carolina and Virginia have demanded that the Democrat Party in those states certify the required qualifications of their party’s nominees for President and Vice President (Nancy Pelosi sent our a letter to the states Election Boards only certifying that they were nominees). The noose is tightening.
The U.S. recognizes dual citizenship only so far as that other country’s laws do not conflict with ours. If dual citizenship was no barrier to being elected President then Obama would have published the long-form, vault copy of his Certificate of Live Birth rather than the Certification of Live Birth, which even there in Hawaii isn’t considered proof of birth. Assuming, of course, that he was actually born in Hawaii.
Obama’s sister May was born in Djakarta, Indonesia, and Sun-yat Sen, the Chinese revolutionary born in China, both had Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth documents.
Real Americans who love their country are not going to knowing vote for a President who is a foreign national or someone with dual citizenship. That person’s allegience to this nation would always be suspect.
One of the people working with Leo Donofrio on his case before SCOTUS is a former INS agent who remembers Obama coming into this country back in 1981 at age 20. Obama had an Indonesian passport, spoke perfect English, and entered on a foreign student visa. Hence the Senator refuses to release any of his school admission records because those would show his actual citizenship status. This agent had been curious about the young man and made copies of his records.
The shit’s going to hit the fan.
Obama has already stated that he was a dual citizen at one time (US and Kenya), though the Kenyan citizenship has lapsed. That can't be what he is trying to hide. In any event, I doubt any birth certificate in the US would list other citizenships held by the newborn.
Real Americans who love their country are not going to knowing vote for a President who is a foreign national or someone with dual citizenship. That person’s allegience to this nation would always be suspect.
A majority of Americans voted someone who used to be a dual citizen into the White House. It's not an issue to most people, seemingly (certainly, it wouldn't have bothered me if McCain was a dual citizen).
You’re avoiding talking about the SCOTUS cases; why?
Which SCOTUS case? The one currently in the works? I know that it is ongoing, but until this actually appears before the court, all we can do is speculate.
That is those people who have learned that there is a issue. Many are simply not aware of this issue due to the media blacklisting.
Some of us honestly speculate, others come to demoralize, to make “fringe”, any effort to investigate or speculate.
I don't understand how the Supreme Court made that decision without considering the above quote.
Rep. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” This national law does not endow upon any person allegiance through birth alone as was the custom under the old English common law practice but only recognizes citizenship of those born to parents who owe no allegiance to another nation. In other words, national law prevented the creation of conflicting dual citizenships between other nation’s citizens.
Obviously there are differences of opinion on the subject.
I take the common sense approach that when issues are in dispute the Supremes have the final word. Certainly that is the functional result.
Bovine excrement.
Obama lived in Indonesia only from the age of six to ten. While it is possible he may have had an Indonesian passport, it is positively certain that he would have had no reason to get a foreign student visa.
Also I suspect INS agents personally keeping copies of entrants is against the rules. If such a person exists, I'd bet a very large sum he can't actually produce the documents in question. There's a term for these guys: attention whore.
Once you become a Naturalized citizen you are agreeing to give up your native citizenship and you are declaring your allegiance to the United States. You are then subject to the jurisdiction of.
Think about it, if you are here illegally, under whose protection are you? If you run into trouble who do you go to? Our government or do you go to your Embassy? We see it now with the Mexicans. The diplomats of their native countries are their advocates. Their allegiance is STILL with their native government.
Rep. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”
I agree with you, but I think it is important that the issue be revisited in light of how our country is today.
Would you be fine with the Supremes taking away the 2nd Amendment?
Not fine with it at all.
The plain meaning of the 2nd Amendment is obvious. If the Supremes were to invalidate it, they would be acting in direct opposition to the document that is itself their source of legitimate authority.
But I’m not willing to go to war over a legitimately debatable point such as the definition of “natural-born citizen.”
In fact, if you were to actually read the decision I’ve posted several times, it is obvious that the term was a familiar common-law one to the Founders. Its meaning as such does not support your position. Under common law the primary method by which citizenship was acquired was place of birth. Only a few very minor exceptions existed. None apply to Obama.
Excluding Obama as not being a “natural-born” citizen, assuming he was born in the USA, would require applying new meanings to the term that would not have been familiar to the Founders. They are meanings that come from Roman and French law, not English common law.
Applying new meanings to terms used in the Constitution is not good originalist doctrine. In fact, it’s exactly how we got into our present mess with activist courts. I’ll take an Obama presidency over more Constitution-twisting.
The founders did not want to have the traditional birthright citizenship that the British used as a way of determining citizenship.
During the War of 1812, the British impressed Americans into fighting under the definition of common law. Even though, these citizens had renounced their British citizenship and pledged their allegiance to the United States.
Our Founders did not want to exude it’s power over people who did not want to be part of this country like the British did.
I hope he has (1) made copies of the records (2) been deposed under oath with a court stenographer and a videographic recording made.
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Jumping for joy-crying tears of happiness?? Was there something in the broadcast I didn’t hear? Not trying to be critical, just kinda disappointed.
Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981. Obama transferred to Columbia in 1981.
Obama didn’t need to pose as a foreign student to get into Columbia. He was a neat, clean, articulate black kid with probably at least reasonably good grades.
Colleges would fall all over themselves to admit him.
Well, that’s Biden-esque projection, but still ... where’s his school records? His transcripts? Curious that they are hidden.
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