Update on Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Issue

Right Side News ^ | November 30, 2008

[Red Steel]

Citizenship Issue on MSNBC Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth.

This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

A natural born citizen, would not be a citizen of any other nation than the United States. That is what "natural born" means. By nature, the child, would be only a US citizen, because both of his parents were US citizens, and NO OTHER NATION, can by law claim him to be under their jurisdiction, at the moment of his birth. That was not the case with Obama. He was, by law, a Citizen of the United Kingdom, the moment he was born, and then, by law, he became a citizen of Kenya on Dec. 12, 1963.

For a more detailed explaination of natural born citizen, see my other related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKN...

[TheCipher]

Not to mention Kenya possibly blackmailing him. Keep the BC hidden. Give us what we want, or it gets released.

[Shady Ray]

Yep. I love this gem:

Some of these factors might seemingly come into play in the case of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. Although his mother was herself a natural-born U.S. citizen, his father was a Kenyan national, and his parents may or may not have been legally married in the eyes of U.S. law. Moreover, his parents split up when he was but a toddler, and his mother soon afterwards married another foreign national and moved with Barack to Indonesia.

The item quoted above posits that Barack Obama does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because the law in effect at the time he was born specified that "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Since Barack Obama only had one U.S. citizen parent (his mother), and his mother had not been residing in the U.S. for at least five years after the age of 16 when Barack was born (because she herself was only 18 at the time), then he's not a natural-born citizen.

A few facets of this claim immediately jump out as being far-fetched: first, that a sitting U.S. Senator who has already spent a good deal of time and money securing his party's nomination for the presidency would suddenly be discovered as ineligible due to an obscure provision of U.S. law; and second, that U.S. law would essentially penalize someone who would otherwise qualify for natural-born citizenship status simply because his mother was too young. The fact is, the qualifications listed in the example quoted above are moot because they refer to someone who was born outside the United States. Since Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, they do not apply to him.

And Barry starts this hand with a pair of Victim Cards in the hole.

[freekitty]

I believe you. Some of us are very tired with the holiday weekend.

[nufsed]

Not having fun. I'm actually angry that the guy would spend $1 million so capriciously. He could have proven us fools two months ago.

Ron Paul is the only politican I remember saying the first thing he asks before voting is what does the constitution say about this.

[Citizen Blade]

Its real interesting. We have also made exclusions to Chinese born in America in the 19th century. It was called the Chinese Exclusionary Act or something like that.

True, but that's an issue of US law. But the law of the UK, or any other country, makes no difference to the citizenship status of an American citizen.

[Diggity]

It is very defined which is the whole problem for Obama and the reason he has been so tight lipped about it.

Its all here if you wish to learn about it.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

[Diggity]

Not true.

[Citizen Blade]

If Gov. Jindal’s parents were not U.S. citizens at the time of their son’s birth in the United States, then no, he cannot be considered “natural born”.

Wherever did you get that idea? It certainly is not present in US law or in the Constitution.

[BP2]

Obama is not the first non-Hawaiian born revolutionary to have a false Hawaiian Birth Certificate. Chinese revolutionary "(wikipedia) Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province", that's in China. Yet he managed to acquire a valid Hawaiian birth certificate stating he was born in Maui.

Excerpt from: Obama's "birth certificate" - the devil's in the details

Hawaiian “birth certificate” history

Few official birth certificates existed at the turn of the century, and the few that were filed may have listed only the person’s first name. Hawaiian law established the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” program in 1911. The program permitted a person born in Hawaii who was one year or older, and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii, to be registered by a family or guardian. Hawaii had just been annexed in 1898 and was a US territory, so documenting residents made sense. With families moving between the islands, or having children without the aid of a hospital or doctor, the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” allowed the new territory to capture names for census, voting, property ownership and of course, taxation.

The “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” application was a very basic form which was little more than a personal affidavit and might have little if any verifiable info of the birth. For example, Sun Yat-sen, Chinese revolutionary and political leader often referred to as the “Father of Modern China,” was able to file a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” application and immigrate to the US in 1904 using the form.

Once processed, Sun Yat-sen’s application became a true "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth":

As the decades passed, the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” Application and Certification process became more formalized. For example, this is the 1946 “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” application from Masayoshi Mitose, credited for having brought Kenpo martial arts to the US in the 1930s:

As is evident on Mitose’s supplemental data seems to indicate, the more detailed the support documentation, the greater likelihood the certificate would be accepted by the Secretary of Hawaii, and later, the Department of Health.

When Hawaii became a state in 1959, there were many people residing there who may not have had a filed birth certificate, but did possess a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” Any person to whom a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” had been issued could request to amendment, including a legal change of name, via a “Late Birth Certificate.”

By applying for a “Late Birth Certificate” issued in lieu of a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,” changes could be made to the official records of that person that were filed using the previously-submitted form. The “Late Birth Certificate” would be treated more like the more-legitimate “CertificATE of Live Birth,” even though several years may have passed, memories faded and accounts changed regarding the events surrounding the birth.

To make changes to the “birth certificate” on file, an applicant would be required to submit documentary evidence of the birth facts, often in the form of a questionnaire and affidavits, to support the registration of the “Late Certificate of Birth.” On a small island, in a time devoid of computers and databases, verification was a little harder to come by than today. Also almost like a small town, people knew each other and were probably not highly suspicious of forgery or incomplete birth records.

Once approved, the “Late Birth Certificate” would be registered in the official birth records in place of the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” Under existing policy, the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” and supplementary data would then be surrendered to the Department of Health, assumedly to be archived.

The “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” Program was terminated in 1972 when, among other reasons, the law required the U.S. Social Security Administration to issue Social Security numbers and to obtain more stringent evidence of age and citizenship or alien status and identity. It is not publicly known how many citizens possess the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,” or how many people used Hawaiian law to modify their birth records to reflect a “Certificate of Delayed Birth” on file in place of the previous form.

American citizenship has always been seen as being highly sought after for political freedom and economic opportunity. Laws similar the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” existed for Guam and other American territories.

By today’s standards, compared to the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” era of non-computerized record keeping of 1972 and before, it would seem relatively difficult to “slip in” using Hawaiian law to prove US Citizenship, especially if the child had not be born on Hawaii.

However, even today’s Hawaiian state law provides for the issuance of “birth certificates” if the child is born out of state, and potentially out of the US, as long as the legal parents can show Hawaii as their legal residence:

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child. (emphasis added)

Does it now make sense WHY so many are demanding to see Obama's REAL "birth certificate"?

[Diggity]

Not true as it relates to citizen vs natural born citizen.

One must careful to realize that there is a difference to the Constitution.

[Citizen Blade]

Really? So, foreign countries, through their laws, can disqualify American citizens from the Presidency?

[hoosiermama]

Posted on other thread:

Just saw this on the message board at Plains Radio Network:

*** BREAKING NEWS **** Leo has ask for air time tonight
Hi Folks: Leo has called and asked for ait time. He has just learn something that will have all of us jumping for joy and crying tears of happiness. We are setting it up for a special at 10:00 pm tonight. Join us for what we have been waiting to here since May 31st. Folks it is over.

I’m not sure if it’s 10pm ET or 10pm CT. The link is: http://plainsradio.com/

105 posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:34:53 PM by Free America52
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To: stuartcr
“How could he have gotten a clearance as a senator and a passport without proof of citizenship?”
You do not need to be a Natural Born Citizen to get a passport or become a US Senator.

106 posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:37:58 PM by cookcounty

[sickoflibs]

I am tired of losing.

But I see no harm in this effort.

[Citizen Blade]

Not true as it relates to citizen vs natural born citizen.

There are only two types of citizen under US law: naturalized (who cannot serve as President) and citizens from birth (who can).

[Diggity]

No, but allegiance to other countries prevents it and the allegiance is determined by the country to whom the father or mother is a citizen off. With China and Britain it was different then with other countries because citizens were considered subjects.

Listen, if you want to argue go stand in the corner. If you want to really learn about this, go research it.

[Dscott_FR]

Everybody check this out. Leo Donofrio is on the radio...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2140627/posts

[Diggity]

3 types, Natural, Naturalized and Citizen by birth.

[nufsed]

I remember when some members of congress were allowed to read the evidence against Clinton and came out crying.

I remember when Sheets Byrd said "These may rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors, but I'll not vote to remove."

I remember Juanitta Brodderick.

Technology sales to China

Chinese military campaign contributions to Clinton.I just want the law to be followed.

I want the knowledge that justice is being done.

Once before I die.

[Citizen Blade]

No, but allegiance to other countries prevents it and the allegiance is determined by the country to whom the father or mother is a citizen off.

So, following your logic, a foreign country (such as North Korea) could have disqualified George Bush from the Presidency by passing a law making Barbara Bush a citizen of that country? That's the logical extension of your argument, if the parents' citizenship can disqualify someone born in the US from the Presidency.

With China and Britain it was different then with other countries because citizens were considered subjects.

So what?

[nufsed]

I remember when some members of congress were allowed to read the evidence against Clinton and came out crying.

I remember when Sheets Byrd said "These may rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors, but I'll not vote to remove."

I remember Juanitta Brodderick.

Technology sales to China

Chinese military campaign contributions to Clinton.

The Clinton pardons.

I just want the law to be followed.

I want the knowledge that justice is being done.

Once before I die.