Posted on 11/30/2008 4:21:44 AM PST by Nick Thimmesch
He is also half white.
Unless the one-drop rule still applies, our president-elect is not black.
We call him that -- he calls himself that -- because we use dated language and logic. After more than 300 years and much difficult history, we hew to the old racist rule: Part-black is all black. Fifty percent equals a hundred. There's no in-between.
That was my reaction when I read these words on the front page of this newspaper the day after the election: "Obama Makes History: U.S. Decisively Elects First Black President."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
You are correct.
The popular ‘vote’ is actually a ‘poll’ which the electoral college uses to cast their ‘votes’.
Obama won the popular ‘poll’.
“If I remember my history correctly, Lincoln only freed the slaves in the states which had seceded, not in the states that remained in the union. His concern was for politics, not for freeing the slaves.”
Exactly.
Lincoln, as President, had no legal authority to ‘free’ the slaves, a duty held only by congress. Congress refused. The Emancipation Proclamation was executed as Commander in Chief by order of the Executive, Lincoln. The document freed only the slaves in the South joined with the Confederacy, not throughout the entire Union, though freedom was often offered to Northern slaves who served with Union forces.
“That on the 1st day of January, A.D.1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United Stead shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.
I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion....And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution upon military necessity.”
“So, that ALL southerners having slaves was pure yankee B.S. “
That notion rather discounts the thousands of Southerners, like both my grgrandfathers, who fought for the North, who lived in this country from the 1600’s and NEVER owned slaves, doesn’t it?
Whether or not you are “black” is about how you look, and he looks black to most people. That’s all it takes.
The funny thing is, at Harvard many of the “black” members of the Law Review didn’t like him because they didn’t feel he was “black enough”.
Who Da’ Baby Daddy? The Daddy be Malcom X...
Reminds me of a very old joke:
The Lone Ranger and Tonto were surrounded by injuns and it looked like no way out. The Lone Ranger turned to Tonto and said, “Look at what a mess WE are in, Tonto!”. To which Tonto responded: “What you mean WE white man?”
Yeah, I guess it takes being from the South, during that time to really know how it was. My time of growing up, during school years was split between Texas and Oregon, so I got to see two divergent views.
And from what I could see (and still can see), people outside the South are not very comfortable with blacks around, not as much as people in the South would be more comfortable. And by that, I do in being courteous, doing day-to-day business, in casual and passing greetings and so on.
Outside the south, people are actually afraid of blacks. Of course, I do remember that Oregon had written into their Constitution (originally) that it was illegal for blacks to live in the state... LOL... Of course, they had to change that, much later. In 1857 they voted on their state Constitution and made it illegal for blacks to live in the state. It was not until 1902 that their Constitution was changed.
The point here is that the problem with blacks (including slavery and discrimination) is actually more of a problem in states outside of the South, than it is in the South. In the “North” (and the other states outside of the South), people may give “lip service” towards blacks and their rights (as normal human beings) — but they are not personally comfortable interacting with them and they don’t really want to see them around and they don’t want to mix with them. In the South, it’s a much more friendly and accommodating atmosphere, in this regard.
I remember coming back to Texas after some years in school (to visit for a while) and having been in the “white state” of Oregon for so long, it was sort of a shock to see how well the black population was mixed in with everything in Dallas. But, then again, I did remember back to my earlier years, and my view was somewhat slanted (for a while) by being in Oregon.
I’m saying this from having observed it in different places with different historical backgrounds. I’m in Oklahoma right now and it’s certainly not the same as it is in Oregon... LOL...
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You were talking about your mom and dad not having slaves. Of course, they wouldn’t because I doubt your dad goes as far back as the Civil War. Perhaps you were talking about your great grandfather, instead. That would have been his time, around the time of the Civil War.
And that reminds me, when I was in Houston, as a kid, I remember the death and funeral of the last (formerly) living combatant in the Civil War. With him, the Civil War was finally gone...
The last State Convention for Confederates was held in 1937 at the Commercial Hotel in Corsicana, Texas. The remaining six Confederate soldiers were present. They were M. H. Wolfe, Corsicana; Thomas E. Riddles, Austin; Walter Williams, Franklin; George Kent of Corsicana, James M. Huff and Mr. Hook. Of these six, Walter Williams was the last soldier. He died in 1959 at the age of one hundred seventeen (117) years. He was the last of the soldiers of the Civil War.
And so, I went by that funeral home and said to myself, “Remember this, because it’s the passing of history...”
[*** And I realize that some dispute this designation for this guy, but even so, he *was definitely* recognized as such in the papers and nationally, at the time. And his “status” as being a Civil War veteran went, at least, as far back as records of 1937, as stated above. So, I’ll jjust leave the disputes on whether he was the last one or not to others — and just say that it was definitely printed up in the papers and nationally, this way — at the time it happened. ***]
And so it goes with the Civil War....
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As an interesting side note, I have an ex-wife who was raised by a black “mammy”. I know a lot of people reject this as a stereotype, but it was true..., at least from my source, my ex (her being raised by one). So, she had a black mammy (I guess you could think the “Gone with the Wind” type..., or Aunt Jemima, or whatever, but the woman did take care of the kids in the family). I wasn’t raised that way, but she was, and it was a normal thing, apparently, according to her. Well..., that was just a comment that comes from memories being recalled.
Which, then, raises another memory of watching Amos and Andy on TV back in Houston, I remember Amos, Andy and Kingfish. I used to watch that show all the time, along with others, of course. These particular actors in the TV show *were* black, regardless of the other ones that might not have been.
Okay, enough of the nostalgia of a different time and era...
It’s always surprising how many people, even their descendants, who don’t know about the Southerners who fought for the North.
Just a little portion of his speech:
Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the states are sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each state is a sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.
Ya, and I heard Alex Haley attempted suicide, when he discovered he was adopted
That's a joke, meant to be taken as humor only
Kentucky, Maryland, and probably Missouri would have joined the Confederacy, forcing the United States to move its capital (The District of Columbia) to a new centralized location (most likely on the Great Lakes, somewhere near Chicago). The old capital of the United States may have become the new capital of the Confederate States of America (after all the infrastructure was already built). It is also very possible that the Confederacy would have aggressively expanded into Latin America.
So the border between the two countries would be Chesapeake Bay north to the Maryland / Pennsylvania border then west along the Ohio River to the Mississippi River north to the Missouri / Iowa border west to the Kansas border, south to the Kansas / Oklahoma border then west to somewhere in Arizona then south to the Mexican border. Oklahoma and New Mexico would have been easily brought into the CSA while portions of Maryland and Virginia on the eastern side of Chesapeake Bay would probably have been easily conquered by the United States. There would have constant border skirmishes between the two countries over the unclaimed lands - probably lasting until after World War I.
The far left, near as I can tell!
:^(
So they weren't northerners?
Then we should thank you for carrying their water?
Some people on FR do such a fine job of it no need for me to step into the job.
Chinese and Blacks and Irish and just about any immigrant were slaves working for the railroad, all over the North and South.
Alex Haley wrote a wonderful book.
Hollywood turned it into a very emotional movie.
The problem I have is that from that moment on, the movie was adopted as actual history. Oprah and Whoopi were really slaves who got freed and became rich TV and movie stars.
One side note. Kunta Kinte has kinda disappeared.
Northern Ireland, North Italy, North Israel?
Could have been.
Pretty much they were all immigrant workers (virtual slavery).
Did you write there were slaves in the North? Now you understand the reason I wrote people in the North are hypocrites. Where are the descendants of Chinese and Irish slaves? Don’t they deserve a little of Uncle’s free stuff? I probably have a little Irish blood. Where do I apply to get my free Cheese?
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