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To: Windflier; blackbart.223; Sharrukin; fightinJAG; USAF70; wistful; Lilpug15; 1_Rain_Drop; Yaelle

You said — “I think my point is that we’ve all seen enough of the decline in our culture, and the concurrent rise of left-liberalism, to conclude that we’d better change our operating basis if we want to keep our country.”

The fact that you may have not noticed or have willfully ignored is that the Germans who did see the problem *did not* have the power to effect the change that was needed. AND, likewise, you may very well find that you and others of like-mind, *may not* have the power to effect the needed changes you say have to be done in order to “save the Republic”.

The election showed, clearly that people who are of the mindset of most in this forum of Free Republic *do not consist of the majority* — and that’s why Obama won the election.

If that remains true — you will simply *not* have the ability or means to *effect* the necessary change.

Now, this says nothing about not trying, as will typically be the “comeback” on this. But, you’ll notice that I said none of that. What I said is that you may be ignoring the fact that you can do all that you can do — and it’s *not enough* to effect the changes that are needed....

There’s another element in this, too. It’s that God has determined, already, how things in the world are going to pan out, in order to bring about His conclusion for Israel and the *judgement of the nations* in the world, as it says in the Bible.

It’s *highly likely* — that if we fail to *effect the necessary changes* — that this reflects the “judgement of God” upon the nation for the majority choosing things which are going to be *detrimental* to our Republic and well-being as a nation...

And as I see it, the judgement of God is coming upon this nation, regardless of what you think or try to do.

Remember, the founding fathers said that they couldn’t found this nation absent the help of Almighty God — and likewise — you’re not going to stop the judgement of God, upon this nation, no matter how good your intentions are, if the majority are against you and the judgement of God comes because of that.


193 posted on 11/29/2008 3:27:17 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

“I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, “Move from here to there” and it will move. Nothing will be impossible to you”.

~ Jesus Quotes from Mathew, 17:20b-21


208 posted on 11/29/2008 4:11:49 AM PST by USAF70 (I'm a bitter clinger)
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To: Star Traveler

You’re entire communication can be summed up in just two words: We’re Doomed!

You’re making the same statement over, and over, and over again — namely that the US is done, over, kaputski, finito, finished, stick a fork in it.

If you’re so certain in that conviction, then I suppose you have no further need of a challenging discussion board like Free Republic. I mean, what’s the point? What could you possibly want to talk about, now that you know it’s only a matter of time until the lights go out?

Wanna talk about philosophy, or the afterlife? Maybe other worlds and far off galaxies? We could always talk about the good ole days. Hmmm... I’m running out of ideas here...

It’s tough to get interested in much when we all know it’s going to be over soon.

Well. See ya ‘round. Too bad we didn’t have a chance to get to know one another. I’m sure it would have been fun.

Bye


224 posted on 11/29/2008 4:56:04 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Star Traveler
"And as I see it, the judgement of God is coming upon this nation, regardless of what you think or try to do. Remember, the founding fathers said that they couldn’t found this nation absent the help of Almighty God — and likewise — you’re not going to stop the judgement of God, upon this nation, no matter how good your intentions are, if the majority are against you and the judgement of God comes because of that."

I have to search the Bible because I don't recall the details**. The gist is, God was going to destroy the earth again but because one man prayed/interceded, God didn't do it. I think He only destroyed the city.

God did it once, He can do it again. It is up to us to pray and ask and listen to Him.

We know that history repeats itself. We have Germany. Let's learn from their mistakes and work on changing the obvious outcome. At least half of America is not blind.

**Maybe it was the pillar of salt story.

255 posted on 11/29/2008 9:43:02 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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