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AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE
Kent Law Review ^ | 2/22/2006 | Sarah P. Herlihy

Posted on 11/28/2008 2:40:28 PM PST by SatinDoll

INTRODUCTION

The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the “stupidest provision” in the Constitution,1 “undecidedly unAmerican,”2 “blatantly discriminatory,”3 and the “Constitution’s worst provision.”4 ...

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The natural born citizen clause of the United States Constitution should be repealed for numerous reasons. Limiting presidential eligibility to natural born citizens discriminates against naturalized citizens, is out-dated and undemocratic, and incorrectly assumes that birthplace is a proxy for loyalty. The increased globalization of the world continues to make each of these reasons more persuasive...the natural born citizen clause has increasingly become out of place in the American legal system. However, even though globalization strengthens the case for a Constitutional amendment, many Americans argue against abolishing the requirement.

(Excerpt) Read more at lawreview.kentlaw.edu ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; birthcertificate; certifigate; constitution; globalization; herlihy; nau; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; obl; president
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To: LucyT

Many thanks, LucyT

Ping


121 posted on 11/28/2008 8:23:25 PM PST by Iowan
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To: seekthetruth

Hmmmmm.....good point.


122 posted on 11/28/2008 8:25:43 PM PST by no dems (George W. Bush: America's last White President. ACORN will see to it.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Heck yeah; that's better. I said on an earlier thread that someone should write a screenplay: Here's the plot:
A "closet" Muslim ascends to the Presidency and is aiding and abetting Islamo-Fascist Terrorists in their attempts to destroy America and the media and left-wingers are too blind to see it. So, the American people rise up and overthrow the Muslim Prez and save the nation.
123 posted on 11/28/2008 8:29:17 PM PST by no dems (George W. Bush: America's last White President. ACORN will see to it.)
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To: zarodinu

No offense taken. But please consider the following from the man who penned the 14th Amendment in 1871. Rep. John A. Bingham gave a definition of Natural Born Citizen, which stated in part:

“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html

So, to restate Rep. Bingham’s definition of “natural born” in 21st century terms:

1. Born on U.S. soil;

2. Parents are citizens at the time of birth.

I’m not smart enough to make this stuff up!


124 posted on 11/28/2008 8:33:29 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: OneWingedShark; no dems

Turnabout is fair play. If they can ignore the “natural born” requirement in the Constitution, we ought to ignore the 16th Amendment and do away that pesky income tax. Bankrupting the federal government will put an end to this nonsense quick. A thought worthy of discussion, anyway.


125 posted on 11/28/2008 8:39:44 PM PST by so_real
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To: so_real

A thought very worthy of discussion. But, when people have to act alone (filing Income Tax) they will chicken out. It needs to be an “enmasse” Revolution.


126 posted on 11/28/2008 8:55:35 PM PST by no dems (George W. Bush: America's last White President. ACORN will see to it.)
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To: Ozone34
All prior presidents to Van Buren were born in British colonies!

Re-read it again. It says "at the time of the adoption of the Constitution." The Founders wisely exempted themselves because obviously there was no U.S. at the time of their births.

127 posted on 11/28/2008 8:58:48 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: no dems; seekthetruth

For example, Leo stated that the Sec. of State in Washington did not allow Roger Calero’s name to be on the ballot but did not check status of Obama or McCain.


This is a big deal.... it shows the SOS made SOME disqualifying decisions (determining STANDING)..... but totally ignored whether Obama could pass muster.

Therefore Leo can show prejudice on the part of the WA SOS?


128 posted on 11/28/2008 8:58:49 PM PST by txhurl (somebody just bought 12 Carrier Battle Groups for 600 million dollars)
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To: zarodinu

129 posted on 11/28/2008 9:07:18 PM PST by tomkat ( . . heirloom hardwood handmirrors . .)
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To: ckilmer
If he was born as, Barack Hussein Obama, then changed his name to Barry Soetoro Lolo Soetoro adopted him, and then he switched back to being Barack Hussein Obama as an adult. Has anyone searched for the Barry Soetoro paper trail?

Maybe his school records and medical records are in Barry's name, not Barack's.

130 posted on 11/28/2008 9:09:19 PM PST by Polarik
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To: SatinDoll; little jeremiah

Thank you for the link, its the best case I have seen yet for your argument. Nonetheless, I still believe that anybody born in the US or born to US citizens outside of US is a natural born citizen.

My argument comes from the following article

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

Its a great five minute read, and in my view is the best summary of the controversy. Anybody who is interested in the issue should read it.

Once again, if Obama is a citizen, but is not a naturalized citizen, and is not a natural born citizen, what exactly is he?

Since there are only two kinds of citizens, if he is not naturalized, he is automatically natural born.


131 posted on 11/28/2008 9:10:03 PM PST by zarodinu
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To: SatinDoll
Sorry, Satin Doll, but Rep. Bingham's definition of "Natural Born Citizen" doesn't carry much, if any weight, in this discussion. He said it as a legislator, not as a judge. Furthermore, although he is connected historically to the Fourteenth Amendment, that Amendment does not use the term "Natural Born Citizen." Only Article II does.

Too bad we don't have any commentary from any of the attendees at the constitutional convention on this subject, at least none that I'm aware of.

132 posted on 11/28/2008 9:32:15 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

It looks like SCOTUS will soon have a crack at it this December. Another lawsuit, this time from Connecticut, will be hitting the Court’s docket.

Meanwhile, you can check out the following - you just might find more to chew on this subject than you ever thought possible:

Natural Born Citizens: Or How to Beat a Subject to Death with a Stick.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/natural-born-citizens-or-how-to-beat-a-subject-to-death-with-a-stick/#comments


133 posted on 11/28/2008 9:46:45 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: All; Windflier; bang_list
I'm afraid I'm going to tune them out from here on

I already have

The question often on my mind these past three weeks is:

How can one semi-old guy contribute to the fight if, in spite of all the letters we've written, and the phone calls we've made, and the prayers/hopes we've offered up, the USSC kicks the Constitution to the curb and allows a marxist usurper to piss on our Republic ?

It would be a great honor and a small price to pay to lay down what's left of my life to help insure that the freedoms our forebears fought and died for would still be here for my daughters and yours.

I sense a shitstorm coming, and a mustering place would be good to know . . .

134 posted on 11/28/2008 9:51:22 PM PST by tomkat ( . . heirloom hardwood handmirrors . .)
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To: zarodinu

Thank you for the link. I hope that those more knowledgeable about this than I am will comment.


135 posted on 11/28/2008 9:56:16 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Blogger

INTREP


136 posted on 11/28/2008 10:15:15 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: zarodinu

I don’t like this paragraph, it seems to me that the author is insinuating her personal political views that have nothing to do with the intent of the Constitution:

Page 898

Looking to contemporary law rather than early American or British law makes sense where, as in this case, the underlying assumptions about which groups are entitled to rights under the law have changed significantly. Constistent with Fourtheenth Amendment ideals concerning due process and broadened political participation, this approach will most likely result in an expansive reading of who will be eligible to run for office. Expanding the categories of natural-born citizens makes the eligible candidates more representative of the voting population, thereby increasing the rights of voters to select their representatives as well as the rights of individuals to vie for the office of President.

(I’m leaving out the footnote numbers.)


137 posted on 11/28/2008 10:38:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: LucyT

Bump Dat!...


138 posted on 11/28/2008 11:56:47 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: little jeremiah

The author is making a case for expanding the traditional definition of natural born citizen to include those born abroad to one or two US citizens.

The juice of the article however comes up to and including pg 889, where the traditional definition of natural born citizen is discussed.


139 posted on 11/29/2008 12:08:54 AM PST by zarodinu
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To: SatinDoll

The question is why have they been working on this?


140 posted on 11/29/2008 12:27:09 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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