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Posted on 11/28/2008 12:57:36 PM PST by jay1949
Another noob here to tell us to quit wasting time on such trivial matters, huh?
Leo Donofrio last night discussed a recent opinion by Justice John Paul Stevens that will support Leo’s case.
This issue is not going away until “We The People” get to see the court ordered “Vault Birth Certificate” and all other relevant files related to his birth/birth place/name/name changes/adoptions/citizenship status.
Some seem to think this question is a game of politics. It is not. This is so fundamentally serious that the very survival of our nation is at stake over this issue. Obama’s eligibility absolutely most be determined. Either he is eligible or he is a usurper. A precedent must NOT be set by a usurper. Period.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82033
Orders from new president to spark lawsuit every time
Lawyer lining up plaintiff groups until citizenship dispute addressed
Excerpt By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
A lawyer who is playing a key role in a California lawsuit urging officials to prevent the state’s 55 Electoral College votes from being recorded for Barack Obama
until questions about his citizenship are resolved says he’s organizing plans to challenge, even after the inauguration, every order, every proposal, every piece of paperwork generated by Obama.
“We will file lawsuits on his actions, every time. As long as we have money , we will keep filing lawsuits until we get a decision as to his citizenship status,” Gary Kreep, chief of the United States Justice Foundation, told WND today.
Of course.
Do you doubt, for a minute, that the special Joint Session of Congress on January 3, 2001, assembled for the very purpose of resolving such conflicts, would have so ruled?
Old Sarge, whoever you are, I have known many for well over 30 years and your words do not mirror theirs, but rather reflex your distrain for their patriotism and heroism (and assume my short comings .. which are beyond your knowledge, even if true). It appears you are not up to the challenge of maintaining your freedom, I pray that better people will preserve it. You are not worth any further effort, I will just say ... I hope you die an old and free man.
Seeing as you are barely new here, then you nothing of me (24 yrs. active reserve and Guard, Desert Storm and OIF III). And your contempt for MY heroism is born out your being ignorant.And better people than you preserve freedom; I’m one of them.
Don’t reply. Ever.
It is Obama who has imposed his will by refusing to publically prove his eligibility, and (as a matter of fac) refuses to engage in any act of self-definition regarding his past, including school and medical records.
Further, by promulgating what has been judged a forgery by several people, Obama has set the stage to take the office by fiat - because he refuses to disclose probative information regarding who and/or what he is.
Just my $.02.
If he gets in, I’ve got to think there will be hell for him to pay for any social, international, etc. policies... he can easily be perceived as not having the right to act and there will be much pressure on him, the US having an (potentially) illegal president and that will make him ineffective...this is really all like a surreal dream that this could happen.
It’s a black and white issue, I had to state if I’d ever been in any trouble with the law, even misdemeanors to receive my public accounting certificate.
He should not be exempt from requirements. I’m sorry, those who voted for him and the Democrats unleashed this.
If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.
We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing aquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who belive in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.
The arrogance and effrontery of this lying bastid is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiesence of enough people, he will suceed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real posssibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.
Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.
Like another freeper wrote, history is gonna have a hell of a time documenting the first black president based on what documentation he can or will produce - 0.
You sound like a Democrat.
What you have provided is “I think” and “I heard that.”
You can’t have your Democrat ticket disqualified and then just have the EC vote in another Democrat.
It’s like Obama didn’t run at all. All the EC votes go to McCain: 538 - 0.
This online petition is asking officials to honor the Constitution and require Obama to prove that he is a natural born citizen. I don’t believe that Obama is eligible to serve as President:
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
The words of Old Sarge a true Reagan conservative.
“Let’s Review A Few Basic Facts:
There Will Be No Civil War;
None of you Free Republic Internet Rambo’s will ever fire a shot in anger at another American;
There will be no “conservative revolution”, because you think too highly of the rule of law to ever disobey-
and The Left knows it;
Reagan is dead, and conservatism died with him;
There is no god;
The American people are Leftists, and no amount of “center-right” Pollyana talking points will change the facts”
Joseph Biden COULD be on A ticket and eligible to be Vice President.
He, however,if Donofrio’s case is upheld, would NOT be eligible to take Obama’s place as President. The case states that the election was held with an ineligible candidates for president. Biden was on the same ticket.
This is the very reason Donofrio pushed to have the “stay of election” so that ineligible candidates could be taken off the ticket and this constitutional crisis could be avoided.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
Please take time to listen to Donofrio’s interview. He explains himself in detail and talks about the obstruction to the cases he encountered on his way to the Supreme court.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUmnlVyhs50
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I agree and don’t think opinions here are over the top. We are all trying to make sure we are talking facts and not just making things up as we go along. The pressure is on the MSM now and they are beside themselves not knowing what to do. Can you imagine how every network would want to be the “first” to break the story. Fox is trying to get tapes of Leo’s interviews to do what with I wonder? Well they are not getting them from Plains Radio Network or from Lan Lamphere.
Did you happen to listen to last night’s Joe Thunder show? Leo mentioned hearing Justice Scalia talk about the Constitution being the law and how Justice Scalia voiced distain for the “any thinking” that the Constitution is “a living and breathing document”. Was refreshing to hear!
So wish I could listen to Plains Radio without it breaking up! Just have to wait until the programs are archived and listen to the audio then.
Sigh.
First of all, there is no such thing as a "ticket" in the Constitution.
Second of all, there is no such thing as "running for President", or "candidates for President".
Right now, there are 538 Electors for President and Vice-President of the United States. Each one, as far as I know, is eligible to their office and has been chosen in a regular, legal way.
On December 15, these 538 US citizens, holding their Constitutional office, will elect the President and Vice President.
Despite what you seem to believe, the Constitution contemplates a situation where an ineligible (the Constitution says "unqualified") person is chosen by the Electoral College to the office of President. In such a case, the Vice-President elect assumes the office of Acting President until the Electoral College chooses a qualified person.
Have faith in your Constitution, and try to learn what it says. You're going to need it.
Whatever your views are...
I thank you for your service to this country. My family is forever in debt to those who protect this country.
Not at all. I merely volunteer to be a punching bag for reactionary firebrands.
Your time is yours, and how you use it is your business. I don’t suggest anything other than what my analysis of the situation states: that no court will disqualify Obama from assuming the Presidency.
“He, however,if Donofrio’s case is upheld, would NOT be eligible to take Obama’s place as President.” Sez who? Regardless of the “ticket,” Biden IS eligible to serve as VP; if he is elected VP by the electoral college, Amendment XX would apply if President-elect Obama is declared ineligible: “ . . . If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified . . . “
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