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Russia test-fires intercontinental missile
AFP ^ | 26 November 2008

Posted on 11/26/2008 4:18:59 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

MOSCOW: Russia on Wednesday successfully test-fired for the third time its new RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missile, designed to counter air defence systems like the controversial US missile shield.

The missile was fired from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in north Russia and hit targets on the Kamchatka Peninsula that juts into the Pacific Ocean 6,000 kilometres to the east, Russian news agencies reported.

"The targets that were set were reached. The tasks were fully carried out," the commander of Russia's strategic missile forces, Nikolai Solovtsov, was quoted as saying by Interfax.

"The deployment of the RS-24 missiles, which have a detachable warhead, strengthens the military options of the Russian missile forces in overcoming missile defence systems."

Military spokesman Alexei Zolotukhin told Interfax that "the missile... was launched from a mobile launcher. This is the third test-firing of the RS-24 in the last two years."

Russia in May 2007 first test-fired the RS-24, which the military has said is designed to overcome air-defence systems such as the controversial US missile shield planned for deployment in eastern Europe.

The second test, which was also successful, was in December 2007. Experts and Russian news agencies have said the missile is capable of carrying three nuclear warheads.

The new test comes after Moscow has repeatedly expressed its fury over US plans to place a missile defence radar system in the Czech Republic and linked interceptor missiles in Poland.

Both President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin have urged Barack Obama to drop the plans when he takes over the White House in January but the US president-elect has yet to reveal his intentions.


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1 posted on 11/26/2008 4:18:59 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama just isn’t up to this.


2 posted on 11/26/2008 4:20:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance (AIPNEWS.com - America's Independent Party: "Peace through superior firepower!")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“The deployment of the RS-24 missiles, which have a detachable warhead, strengthens the military options of the Russian missile forces in overcoming missile defence systems.”

So basically they are threatening us with an offensive missile attack because we are deploying a missile defence system?


3 posted on 11/26/2008 4:23:31 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is supposed to be a manouvering reentry vehicle. I guess the downside is reduced accuracy and payload. Current missile defense trackers and interceptors are predicated on a ballistic trajectory, i.e., a missile in free fall after deployment. A little manouver can greatly complicate the problems for the defenders. Of course, boost phase interception (with a space based defense) is probably the best solution. Too bad we aren’t gonna do it.


4 posted on 11/26/2008 4:26:55 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Georgia...warships in Venezuela...ICBM testing. Barry is no match for the Russian chess players.


5 posted on 11/26/2008 4:27:15 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Somebody should tell the neo-Soviets that the major threat to Communism just up and killed itself on Nov. 4, 2008. They should save their money.


6 posted on 11/26/2008 4:27:27 PM PST by TonyStark
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”

— President Reagan on live radio, August 1984


7 posted on 11/26/2008 4:28:40 PM PST by Plane_Guy
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To: EternalVigilance
Obama just isn’t up to this.

My thought exactly. When you see him in the last three days of say nothing press conferences, you just think to yourself, this poor little turtle hasn't a clue what he is doing up there or how he got there.

Post turtle, if there ever was one.

8 posted on 11/26/2008 4:31:17 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If the Russians were to launch an attack against our defensive missile bases, that would be an act of war, reasonably leading the US to launch a strike on Russian ICBM sites to prevent an offensive launch of their own. Failure to do so would be tantamount to surrender at best, and national suicide at worst. Does anyone think Obama would act in this event, or dither? Nothing to worry about here....


9 posted on 11/26/2008 4:33:52 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: EternalVigilance; All
"Russia on Wednesday successfully test-fired for the third time its new RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missile, designed to counter air defense systems like the controversial US missile shield."

Obama just isn’t up to this.

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[i.e. not win it]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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Next, an expert analysis of Obama's proposals...
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Obama Promises to Dismantle Our Armed Forces
by Robert Maginnis
Posted 04/10/2008 ET


Mr. Maginnis is a retired Army lieutenant colonel, a national security and foreign affairs analyst for radio and television and a senior strategist with the U.S. Army.

YouTube has an undated 52-second clip [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE October, 2007 -ETL] of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barrack Obama outlining his plans for America’s national defense. Obama’s presentation demonstrates either total naivete about important national security programs or he is just pandering for votes among the extreme left.

Watch Obama’s message and consider some inconvenient facts about his national security promises.

I’m the only major candidate to oppose this war from the beginning and as president I will end it.” No one likes war: especially those who have to do the fighting and dying. Yet, our military leaders make clear that the consequences of a rapid withdrawal from Iraq as Obama seeks would be disastrous not only for American interests in the region but for Iraq itself. It would provide a propaganda victory for al Qaeda and Iran because they will be able to claim they defeated America. Further, it could worsen the Iraqi civil war, create an unstable Mideast and further spike oil prices.

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.” Anyone who has worked with the military for any length of time knows there is waste, often in weapons systems. Recently, the Government Accountability Office found that 95 major weapons systems -- including the Joint Strike Fighter and the Littoral Combat Ship -- have exceeded their original budgets. These cost overruns could be the result of waste or mismanagement or, perhaps, the development and fielding of sophisticated new weapons with constantly changing requirements is difficult and inefficient.

The senator should understand there is a difference between waste and defense spending. But does he? There is no reason to think so in any of his speeches or position papers. Obama’s employer, the US Congress, indulges in pork barrel earmarks contributing to wasteful Pentagon spending. Earmarks circumvent merit-based systems to create jobs in favored congressional districts and saddle the military with unwanted -- wasteful -- programs.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.” Recently, both our sea-based and ground-based missile systems proved to be successful. On Feb 20, the USS Lake Erie armed with an SM-3 missile destroyed a wayward satellite traveling at more than 17,000 MPH more than 100 miles high. In September, 2007, our ground-based midcourse defense system killed a dummy missile over the Pacific using an interceptor stationed in Alaska. The US Bureau of Arms Control warns, “The ballistic missile danger to the US, its forces deployed abroad, and allies and friends is real and growing.”

“I will not weaponize space.” America’s current policy is not to weaponize space. However, it’s important for policy makers to recognize the US’s dependence on space. Our banking, communications and navigation systems almost entirely depend on satellites. Space lines of communication are as essential for commerce today as sea lines of communication were two centuries ago. Does Obama mean he wouldn’t provide defensive systems for our satellites? Apparently so.

Surrendering space to rogue nations and pirates places our economy and military at risk. Anti-satellite weaponry will proliferate and must be countered.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.” Our combat systems are becoming ancient. Our air force is flying aircraft which are based on 1940s and 1950s technology and our army is driving 1960s and 1970s vintage vehicles. Older equipment is expensive, time consuming to maintain and potentially dangerous.

The Army’s Future Combat Systems (FCS) is the first full-spectrum modernization effort in nearly 40 years. It will replace Cold War-era relics with “full-spectrum” operations capable modular systems designed to operate in complex terrain. It can also be adapted to civil support, such as disaster relief.

Failing to develop future combat systems puts American warriors at risk and unnecessarily jeopardizes our security.

"...and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.” Congress created the QDR as an every four-year analysis intended to balance defense strategy and programs with resources.

In 2007, the Government Accountability Office, an “independent defense priorities board” in its own right, published its analysis of the most recent QDR. It lauded the Bush administration for sustained involvement of senior officials, extensive collaboration with interagency partners and creating a database to track implementation of initiatives. The GAO faulted Congress for failing to clarify its expectations regarding what budget information the Pentagon should provide.

To make matters worse, Congress’ 2008 Defense Authorization Act created two new and redundant every four year analyses. One is an independent military assessment of roles and missions and the other identifies core mission areas, competenceis and capabilities.

Obama is right to criticize the QDR because it has become an exercise in fantasy but his Congressional colleagues keep piling on new requirements. The senator can help the Pentagon by scaling back on the analyses requirements. Just tell the military what the country can afford and then have the services explain what they will buy and how much risk we will have to accept.

To seek that goal I will not develop new nuclear weapons.” That’s dangerous. Our present nuclear arsenal will atrophy if it isn’t modernized. According to the head of the military’s Strategic Command, Air Force Gen. Kevin Chilton, our warheads are aging and weren’t designed to last forever, making him nervous. “I liken it to approaching a cliff -- and I don’t know how far away from that cliff I am,” Chilton said.

Ambassador Linton F. Brooks, administrator of the US’s National Nuclear Security Administration, said we have a new program that will potentially reduce the number of warheads and make them safer. It’s called the Reliable Replacement Warhead program and “contemplates designing new components for previously tested nuclear packages.” The RRW would create, Brooks said, a "reduced chance we will ever need to resort to nuclear testing" again.

I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material...” Nations capable of producing nuclear weapons produce fissile material for their atomic arsenals. Many of these same nations produce fissile material to fuel their nuclear power plants which light millions of homes and are a cheap, clean energy source in a world concerned about hydrocarbon pollution.

Efforts to control the production of fissile material date back to the 1946 Baruch Plan but that attempt was abandoned during the Cold War. In 1992, President George H.W. Bush announced that the US no longer produced fissile material for nuclear weapons and in 1993 President Bill Clinton called for Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty negotiations. While this is a worthy goal it is not achievable in an energy hungry world.

...and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair trigger alert...

The US nuclear forces are not on “hair trigger” alert. Only a portion of America’s deployed nuclear forces maintain a ready alert status.

Besides, our policy does not rely on a “launch on warning” strategy. Rather, our forces are postured to provide flexibility by raising the readiness status of the force and by putting weapons systems on alert when necessary.

...and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.” Our nuclear arsenal is a deterrent against enemies with similar systems. Deep cuts without verifiable reciprocal cuts would be dangerous. However, we are making progress via the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty which proposes a reduction of the overall threathold of up to 1,500 warheads. Russia has approximately 4,162 and the US has 5,866 strategic warheads and both nations possess thousands of tactical weapons and reserve stocks as well.

Senator Obama’s national security views expressed in his 52-second video reflect that of a knee-jerk liberal academic who thinks that the US is the primary threat to world peace. His views are dangerously naive and his statements suggest a shallow understanding of national security issues and in some cases his facts are wrong.

Mr. Maginnis is a retired Army lieutenant colonel, a national security and foreign affairs analyst for radio and television and a senior strategist with the U.S. Army.

Article: Obama Promises to Dismantle Our Armed Forces
by Robert Maginnis, 04/10/2008
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=25942
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Here's the video. It's from the Obama camp itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE
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From "45 Communist Goals":
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

'Goals' 4-45 can be found here or at many other sites through a web search for "45 goals":
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

10 posted on 11/26/2008 4:36:20 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: EternalVigilance

No shit. Junior is going to piss his pants the first time Putin calls on the red phone.


11 posted on 11/26/2008 4:38:12 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Anyone think we will be testing any new equipment in the next 4 years? The rats are getting thier white flags ready, we don’t have a chance if we don’t keep on top of this, and by the looks of things we won’t. A special early thanks goes out to congress, the senate and the peaceniks who think talking to the bully on the block will prevent him from getting a bloody nose. Talk to anyone from Brooklyn NY.


12 posted on 11/26/2008 4:43:11 PM PST by ronnie raygun ( When CHANGE comes let me know, I'll put my tin foil hat on and sit in front of myTV)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I was in Jr. High when Kruchev parked a bunch of missiles in Cuba to test a young ideological president and contrary to popular Kennedy legend, Nikita got what he wanted.  The removal of the Mk4 RV's on the Jupiter platform stationed in Turkey.  This weapon system was on active duty with the USAF until the end of 1965, but Camelot legend says they were outdated in 1962 and were being scrapped anyway.  This is nonsense.  Less than nine years later I was building and targeting the ICBMs that replaced the Jupiter.  

I really hope this Obama guy has more nerve and backbone than he appears to have.


13 posted on 11/26/2008 4:44:04 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Online internet polls are foolish: Winston Churchill, 1939)
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To: headstamp 2
So basically they are threatening us with an offensive missile attack because we are deploying a missile defence system?

Deterrence Mandrake! Its all about deterrence and the purity of precious bodily fluids. If you can defeat the delivery of an opponents nuclear warheads then it makes you more likely to attack your opponent because mutually assured destruction isn't assured anymore.

14 posted on 11/26/2008 4:49:45 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Tailgunner Joe
...and hit targets on the Kamchatka Peninsula...

Some things never change.

15 posted on 11/26/2008 4:49:49 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It kind of amazing to me that the Russians still see us as the major threat to them. This when the Chinese are encroaching on Eastern Siberia and they are getting demographically swamped by the Muslims in the West. I guess power plays against us make them feel important—or at least less impotent.


16 posted on 11/26/2008 4:54:44 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: rbg81
It kind of amazing to me that the Russians still see us as the major threat to them. This when the Chinese are encroaching on Eastern Siberia...

What's even more amazing is that so few on this group seem to know that Russia and China are perhaps closer than they've ever been. In the past 3 years they've staged two major joint military exercises.

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005

In foreign policy it’s critical to “know thine enemy.” So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy — the United States.

The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named “Peace Mission 2005,” the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.

Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but it’s clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.

Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants. As the Pravda.ru Web site announced, “the reconciliation between China and Russia has been driven in part by mutual unease at U.S. power and a fear of Islamic extremism in Central Asia.”
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
August 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

17 posted on 11/26/2008 5:03:49 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Russians are trying so hard to get someone’s attention.

The missile system is not designed to counter Russia’s arsenal. So this is meaningless.


18 posted on 11/26/2008 5:20:54 PM PST by jerry557
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, hell, did anyone get a good look at him after the ‘security briefing’? He changed to his ‘white half’. Sallow, indeed.


19 posted on 11/26/2008 5:41:28 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I thought all but the most crude, 1950’s era ballistic missle technology allowed for warhead separation after the boost phase? Only cheap-@ss SCUDS come down intact (unless they breakup due to aerodynamic stresses)?

Russia has tested a technology that everybody knew was possible for countering ABM’s. Let’s see if they can afford to actually buy it.


20 posted on 11/26/2008 7:23:10 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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