Posted on 11/24/2008 6:36:57 PM PST by rocco55
"TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE" - BIRTH CERT
I am not a lawyer, but I do have some experience with legal matters, plus I had an attorney review this letter before posting it.
In my opinion, Mr. Obama, Jr. and his co-Defendants will delay all of these cases (Berg, Onofrio, Keyes, etc.) as long as possible. Their entire goal is not the arrive at the truth, but simply to make every effort possible to create AS MANY trial delays as they can in the hope that no judgment will be issued by the inauguration date, and then, once their candidate is occupying the office of President, impeachment proceedings would have to be instituted if conclusive evidence is presented that he is Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office. Mr. Berg confirmed on numerous occasions the inevitable barrage of legal obstacles and difficulty that would await the American people and our government should we elect to implement impeachment proceedings for this candidate.
The 12/1/08 reply date for the Defendants in Atty. Berg's lawsuit will simply be a 'motion to dismiss' and they will most likely include an exhaustive list of insufficient evidence items, (inaudible replies of Mr. Obama's grandmother, etc.). The notion that the defendants will have to submit Mr. Obama's birth cert by 12/1/2008 is simply not true. They only have to respond to the Writ by then, and their response will most likely be a motion to dismiss as they did with Atty. Berg's PA suit.
Then Atty. Berg will have to file a response, submit it to the court and then the court has to review Berg's response, etc. For all of this to get conclusively resolved by the Electoral College date deadline of 12/13/2008 is EXTREMELY optimistic.
Also, as Atty. Kreeps (Alan Keye's legal representative) stated, Mr. Obama has three law firms working on these birth certificate lawsuits. Not three attorneys, but THREE ENTIRE FULLY STAFFED law firms ! So, his legal resources are the best (or "best paid" and "best researched") money can buy.
Like many of you, I have hope that "someone" in the Supreme Court Justice System will find at least one of these cases worthy of acceptance and actually issue a judgment requesting a birth certificate from the Defendants ASAP. (before the inauguration on 1/20/2009 or ideally prior to the electoral collage vote on 12/13/208).
My concern is the "source" of the birth certificate. It appears that ALL of these lawsuits are asking Mr. Obama to produce his birth certificate. Why not request that the Supreme Court issue an order to the state of Hawaii to obtain this document.
If the Supreme Court actually steps up the plate and rules in favor of the Plaintiff (Berg, Onofrio, etc.), Obama has two choices.
One, he submits the real BC from Hawaii which will incriminate him because obviously, SOMETHING on that document is inconsistent with his short form image, or two, he submits a fabricated birth cert.
Think about it, as Mr. Farrah said:
"Republican Gov. Linda Lingle's office, which, inexplicably, has fought tooth and nail to protect the birth certificate from public scrutiny even though it remains the key to establishing whether the man elected to be the next president is actually eligible under the Constitution."
Obama has already successfully submitted one fake BC. What if he fakes the 2nd ? Can Obama's staff of three law firms keep the state of Hawaii in a state of non-compliance and not release "their version" of his birth certificate ? Mr. Obama has succeeded in keeping ALL of his college records unavailable. Can Hawaii be prohibited from issuing his birth cert to ANYONE ? including the Supreme Court ?
Can anyone out there state with absolute legal certainty that the state of Hawaii MUST comply with an order from the Supreme Court to release the secret document ?
Can Obama's attorneys object to or appeal a decision like that ? And if so, how long can they tie this up ?
Additionally once Mr. Obama releases a copy of his cert (real or fabricated), how long will it take to ascertain its authenticity ? Will forensic evaluation commence immediately upon the receipt of such a document ? Will testimony be forthcoming ? How long will it take for the courts to arrive at the truth about the veracity of the document Mr. Obama presents, in the event he is required by the Supreme Court to produce it ?
This is a lot to accomplish by 1/20/2009 and my position is that the Obama staff will make EVERY conceivable attempt to throw up ANY and EVERY legal road block they can to delay all of these proceedings.
Unfortunately for us, the TRUTH SEEKING LAW-ABIDING American people who believe in the validity of our Constitution are up against Obama's legal resources ( OJ to the 10th power !). Truly a formidable undertaking for us all ! ! ! !
My prayer is that one of these cases, somehow, gets an expedited decision and they issue a court order for copies of the birth cert from BOTH Mr. Obama AND the state of Hawaii with no consideration given to objections and / or appeals on behalf of the Defendants due to a "time is of the essence" circumstance. Whether this is too much to expect or not remains to be seen.
Let's go forward keeping each other informed and doing our part to expose this to others of like minds and maybe these posts, petitions, etc. will help us all reach a good desired end !
That his birth certificate is authentic.
What does he need to do to prove that he was born in Hawaii? Seriously, I really want to know what it will take. There must be something that will satisfy people that he was born in Hawaii, what is it?
Per the why can't we see it question, how do we propose that he shows it to people? Put it on a tour of major cities? Put it in the Smithsonian? Would people want to handle it? How would a normal person know what it's supposed to look like? I know I wouldn't. What would that prove?
Look, if I'm wrong, and he's Kenyan or Indonesian or whatever, great, let's impeach him. But I just don't see any supporting evidence for that.
Sure he's obfuscating on this, but he's obfuscated on EVERYTHING!!! That's his nature! Hide EVERYTHING whether it's incriminating or not, embarrassing or something to be proud of. That's just him and his creepy nature. Creepiness alone doesn't constitute a crime.
Yes, I wouldn’t think Congress would handle a Constitutional issue would they? Wouldn’t that be handled under the judicial branch?
Line 3 (Citizenship) Indonesia
Line 4 (Religion) Islam
“impeachment proceedings would have to be instituted if conclusive evidence is presented that he is Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office.”
No impeachment necessary. He will simply not be the president because he would be ineligible.
“Why not request that the Supreme Court issue an order to the state of Hawaii to obtain this document.”
No, if Obama is willing to spend millions hiding something, then he would spend just as much forging it. With a matter this important, I would bet that the Supreme Court dispatch a US Marshall with court order to release Obama’s birth certificate and the Marshall would keep possession from the time it is handed to him until he turns it over to the justices.
What part of the law don’t you understand. Obama could have been born in Kenya and still have a Hawaiian birth certificate....but he wouldnt be eligible to run for President.
Notwithstanding the whole issue of him being a British citizen. And we certainly know that the founding fathers didn’t want a British citizen running for US President other than themselves.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
shows pics of Obama beside his alleged father and also Malcom X
He is the abought the same height and the spitting image of Malcom X.
He looks nothing like his “alleged” father and is about 6” taller.
I want to know the hospital and the signature of the person certifying that he was born alive.
Here is one good thing about this. I presume the Governor has seen it. So if someone tries something funky from here on out ..like substituting the documents...she would know it didnt match up.
I haven’t checked on the lastest about the questionable selective service registration.
First, I don't think Obama would have to be impeached after the electoral college if he is found to have been ineligible thereafter. If he is ineligible it is neither a "high crime nor a misdemeanor" and his Election would be voidable.
I think the last challenge would have to come from a Congressman. The House is charged with insuring the candidates are eligible and that the votes are counted. I believe if a Congressman objected and then filed in the SC to challenge a refusal to act by the body that there will be some action. There is no doubt that a Congressman charged with certifying the electoral college vote has standing.
And just in case no one else answers you: ABSOLUTELY the SCOTUS has the power to ORDER a State to produce the original Birth Certificate.
If Malcolm X is his father and he was born in Kenya...then I think he would be a US citizen...same with the Frank Marshall davis father story line.
But more than likely, she wouldn’t have put either of those two on the birth certificate...so it would still be a question of whether is a US citizen that could only be solved with DNA...
what a freaking soap opera ..during the worst financial crisis in modern history.
The U.S. Supreme Court and its members will take no action unless there is an actual case and contorversy in their court.
As for swearing in the next POTUS — any one of them would do it just for face time in front of the cameras.
If this is all it is who cares? He could kill babies in a church and his idiot followers would still adore him. I’m thinking it has to be something about his citizenship.
Yet there is 2200 miles of water that the plane could go down in
Hopefully high quality photos have been made of the long form BC as backup.
The birthplace of all other recent presidents is well known. You can go to Massachusetts and go to the place JFK was born. You can see the childhood home of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.
Our new president-elect-to-be can’t even give the name of the hospital in which he was born. Can’t or won’t. Either way, it’s unacceptable.
Oh great. Yet another thing to make me paranoid about. ;o)
Three law firms? THREE? Over a simple Birth Certificate?
Ok, is their anybody left that believes Hussein the Magnificent is NOT hiding his ineligibility?
Logical projection time. What exactly will happen when The One is tossed like a bum out of a restaurant?
Remember we are talking about millions of O-bots that voted for His Vastness for one of the following “reasons.”
He is Black.
He is a Democrat.
He is young and cool.
He will end the war.
He will make some house payments for me.
He is for “change.”
He will send checks in the mail.
Kind of a short vapid list isn’t it?
So, when He Who Has Been Waiting For Himself must face the cameras and say “Due to a specification in Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution of the United States I am technically not eligible to be THE ONE," are they really going to understand that?
Now for the scary part… just what are the little products of Publick Edjucation going to do?
Obama has already made public two accounts of his birth certificate. One, is his published biography where he describes in detail the contents of his Hawaii birth certificate. Two, is his pre-election public website publishing an (arguably) official Hawaii record of his birth certificate. It seems to me these two disclosures, truthful or not, greatly reduce his claim of privacy (vs public record) of his vault copy Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth.
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