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Hawaiian officials admit withholding Obama's original BC
Isreal Insider ^ | November 1, 2008

Posted on 11/23/2008 6:30:41 PM PST by Red Steel

Now it's pretty apparent why Barack Obama made his sudden, last minute visit to Honolulu. It wasn't Granny's health problems that interested him but Hawaii's Health Department.

The strategy may have backfired. A statement by Hawaiian officials Friday that they have seen but won't release an "original" birth certificate that has never been released raises more questions than it answers. It undercuts the indignant claims of Obama spokesmen and supporters that the "birth certificate" has been published for months, and the ridicule and claims of "smear" that the Obama camp has made against anyone claiming otherwise.

Image: the "certification of live birth" claimed by Obama campaign as his "birth certificate"

According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

But they won't say one word about what's on it.

Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the "original" certificate conforms to what has appeared on the "Certification of Live Birth" produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama "Fight the Smears" site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site FactCheck.org (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.

Can anyone smell "red herring"?

All of the obfuscation, which has been going on for more than four months, begs the question that the Obama campaign and its media supporters have steadfastly refused to answer: why won't the original birth certificate be released?

Why can't the Obama campaign do as the McCain campaign did, and release the original, typewritten document that the State of Hawaii, finally and in the last days before the election, admits exists in its "vaults"? What could be so damaging or contradictory that Obama has felt the need to keep hidden all these years and has created elaborate cover-ups to put forward computer-abstracted certification of live certificate instead of the original birth certificate?

Fukino says that no state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's birth certificate be handled differently. But state officials, including Lingle's office, have consistently refused media requests for the release of the document, saying that only Obama himself, or a close family number, was authorized to have access to the "original" certificate. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Apparently that does not include the American People.

And yet Obama claimed in his memoir Dreams from my Father that he had in his possession his birth certificate. Unless the document has been "lost," he could publish the original without visiting grandma in Honolulu.

Trumpeting victory in Hawaii's admission that a suppressed "original" birth certificate exists is Chicago-based journalist Andy Martin, a long time nemesis of Obama, whose trip to Hawaii preceded the candidate's. (Obama arrived just as Martin left). Martin takes credit for forcing the State's hand in a press release:

Obama has falsely claimed to have placed the "original" on the Internet. Factcheck.org has falsely claimed to have seen this document and posted it on the Internet; that is not true. CNN has falsely ridiculed Martin. Hawai'i officials have now refuted Obama's false assertion.

Martin's victory in Honolulu will roil the final weekend of the presidential campaign. Internet chatter is expected to explode as the issue moves to the front page over Saturday and Sunday. Swing voters may be swayed by the exposure that Obama has brazenly been lying to the American people. "We just lobbed a grenade into the final weekend of the presidential campaign," says Andy.

"I am ecstatic. I called Obama a liar. I called Factcheck.org 'ObamaLies.org.' I said CNN was sloppy and lazy and wrong. And I was right. The State of Hawai'i has now backed me up. Whew. I knew I was right, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I have started to get the machinery moving in state government. The original document is now obviously protected and safe from any tampering by Obama.

"My lawsuit started a firestorm in Hawai'i. The circuit judge has set a hearing for November 18th (a report in the Honolulu Advertiser for November 1st for an earlier hearing date of November 7th is inaccurate; that date was cancelled).

"CNN also has egg on its face, because, once again, Hawai'i backs my contention that the original document has never surfaced in public. CNN tried to demean me by contradicting my accurate claim.

"Now Obama, Factcheck.org and CNN have been exposed as liars. I said there was a 'secret,' original, typewritten birth certificate that had never been disclosed, and that document was the original COLB, not the phony 'original' that CNN placed before its viewers.

Martin, who has advanced the theory that the candidate has suppressed the original certificate because it would show that his father is not in fact Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., claims that Frank Marshall Davis -- a high profile Communist and journalist that Obama II referred to in his memoirs only as "Frank" -- is in fact Obama's father.

Martin has a court date in Hawaii on his demand to release the original birth certificate in the public interest scheduled for November 18, 2008. He has scheduled a press conference for today


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile
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To: television is just wrong

McCain? So there is a downside to this.


61 posted on 11/23/2008 7:41:28 PM PST by Rastus
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To: FocusNexus; All

Petition:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550


62 posted on 11/23/2008 7:44:00 PM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: muawiyah

Actually I can well imagine that her mindset at the time was so romantically driven by the “exoticness” of Obama Sr...

That when asked if she would like to visit Kenya, she jumped at the chance...

(Or was she concerned the Obama Sr might not come back and she was making sure that she was sticking close to him ????)

She was not a mature woman who would have had the patience to wait till after the baby was born and then go...

Apparantly she travelled TO Kenya extremely late in her pregnancy...

and what if the idea was to have Obama Jr born in Kenya ????


63 posted on 11/23/2008 7:45:47 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: classified

George Romney did not withdraw from the race for that reason.
He dropped out after his remark that he was “brainwashed” after a trip to Vietnam. His campaign never gained traction after that. Also, if a child is born to parents who are both
US citizens and say traveling, working, or studying abroad, then that child is considered a natural born citizen.


64 posted on 11/23/2008 7:45:57 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Tennessee Nana
There are a whole lot of reasons why the law frequently cited doesn't apply ~ one of the stronger of which is that Obama's mother was born in the USA and neither of her parents were themselves immigrants, or even illegal aliens.

In fact, that particular family line is one of the older ones in North America. One gentleman in the line had actually built a shack of sorts along the James River about 10 years before John Smith and company arrived on the scene, and if you dig far enough, several arrived with Columbus' second voyage.

Obama's daughters appear to be eligible for membership in Colonial Dames. If there's some sort of organization for those whose European ancestors arrived in the 16th century, they'd be eligible for that one too. Poor Michelle, her little girls can already out-snob their mommy!

65 posted on 11/23/2008 7:46:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tennessee Nana
Here's a solution to the problem of flying to Kenya.

Sometime in 1969 I flew on an "stratocruiser" to Iceland, and then to Luxembourg. It was the most excruciating and nasty flight I'd ever taken. Noisy, crowded, bad air...... you name it.

The same sort of planes, and worse, would have been used on a multi-legged flight from Hawaii to Nairobi in 1961.

Air travel then was far different than air travel now.

66 posted on 11/23/2008 7:49:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"that law was written under the assumption that the mother had been born to foreign born parents "

There are no parents of the parent conditions in the 1952 law. The grandparent provisions that came in in 1994 and would no have applied retroactively. Obama's Mama simply did not meet the residency requirements (5 after 14) for 0 to be a citizen at birth if born outside the US. If 0's father had been a naturalized citizen (he was a Kenyan (British subject, Kenya became independent in 1963) in HI on a student visa) the residency of Stanley Ann Dunham wouldn't matter.

67 posted on 11/23/2008 7:52:05 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

No, you don’t.


68 posted on 11/23/2008 7:52:46 PM PST by top 2 toe red (Some names I will never, ever dignify with a Capital letter again!)
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To: calenel

The rationale behind the law was very obvious at the time. The girls had to leave the babies in Italy, Ireland or Greece.


69 posted on 11/23/2008 7:56:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Flagg!

Aloha Colonel!

I don't think even Tom Lehrer had a ditty that would fit this travesty, flaming liberal that he was.

This time around though I think he'd be a flaming conservative.


70 posted on 11/23/2008 7:56:59 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: top 2 toe red

Then Obama is qualified...


71 posted on 11/23/2008 7:58:03 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: IreneE

I once used my draft card as an ID to cross into Canada and to cross back into the United States.


72 posted on 11/23/2008 7:59:20 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tennessee Nana
And just be thankful you can stay in the US Senate, for now ????

He formally resigned from the Senate already.

73 posted on 11/23/2008 8:01:28 PM PST by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I would sue the DNC for fraud and move to have the election invalidated.


74 posted on 11/23/2008 8:06:15 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: Red Steel

Apparently many judges believe that the citizens of the United States of America have no vested interest in the POTUS.


75 posted on 11/23/2008 8:08:06 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
It will be AAAAAnold 2012

Lovely--- Aaaanold is 500% WORSE than McCain... Pro-homosexual, pro-abort, and now showing his liberal fiscal side as well. With "Republicans" like him, who needs Democrats?

76 posted on 11/23/2008 8:08:50 PM PST by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: Tennessee Nana

No, no, no....he resigned from the Senate effective today, not saying Blaggo can’t appoint him to serve his own vacated seat.


77 posted on 11/23/2008 8:13:03 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: calenel

I’m sorry my mistake. The Naturalization Act of 1795 doesn’t say the President must be a natural born citizen-that requirement is in the Constitution, and it has not changed from day one.
Obama is not a natural born citizen, because his father was not a US citizen. His father was a British subject and because of that Obama was born a subject of the Crown and later became a citizen of Kenya. Even if he was born in Hawaii, and his mother was old enough to pass US citizenship on to him, he would still only be a citizen-not a natural born citizen.
Natural born status must exist at the moment of birth. It can not be earned, or received at a later date, or by a retroactive law. The Constitution does not define what a natural born citizen is. However, if we look at the United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790, it states “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”. So we can learn from this that you have to be the child of US citizens, to be a natural born citizen.
Now that law was repealed and replaced by the The Naturalization Act of 1795 which now stated that “the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States. “This act, signed into law by George Washington himself, dropped the “natural born” phrase. So from this we can see the only way you can be a natural born citizen, is to be born to US citizens on US soil.
Also in the 1795 law you can see that to become a naturalized citizen, you had to “support the Constitution of the United States; and that he does absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whereof he was before a citizen or subject. Also if you ‘borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility in the kingdom or state from which he came, on his, moreover, making in the court an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility”. So you can see that the founders did not allow dual citizenship, for even a naturalized citizen. Children that were born to fathers that never resided in the United States were barred from citizenship at birth. “right of citizenship shall not descend on persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.
Knowing this, we are now being told that Obama is qualified? Yes, he may be a citizen, though I doubt it but he was never a natural born citizen, and can not be President, if we honor the Constitution.


78 posted on 11/23/2008 8:13:38 PM PST by classified
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To: Rastus

there were a few scenarios but that was one of them. check out obamacrimes.com


79 posted on 11/23/2008 8:32:06 PM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: Red Steel
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a lot of trouble they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador said yes.

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Be sure to download the recording as well. The chances of it remaining online for long are remote.


The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.

In any case the supreme court--at Justice Thomas instigation-- is taking up the issue Dec 5
80 posted on 11/23/2008 8:46:10 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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