Posted on 11/22/2008 6:02:05 AM PST by ETL
This week is the anniversary of the tragic day in 1963 [11/22/63, 35 years ago today] when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on the streets of Dallas. Looking back, we can see that Kennedy's death marked a turning point, when the political consensus of the time gave way to the confrontational politics that we associate with the 1960s. The upheavals that followed -- along with the bitter partisanship that disfigured political life in the last third of the century, and whose echoes we still hear today -- can be traced back to that day in Dallas.
The terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, is the only other event in the modern era that compares with the Kennedy assassination in terms of its shattering impact on public opinion. And there are parallels: The 9/11 attacks, like the Kennedy case, stimulated conspiracy theories claiming that either the U.S. government knew what was coming, or that somehow America itself was responsible.
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Please don't edit my post and then claim I said or meant something that I didn't. Above is the "unedited" version of what I wrote, and it is quit clear that I did not include the possibility of abductions. I was clearly talking about two different things. There is no "parsing" of words. I said what I meant and no clarification is needed. If you just took me at my word without leaving part of it out, there would be no question as to my being "disingenous".
Again, you seem to be obsessed with "abductions".
I asked you about abductions and that is your answer, I believe your answer states you think it’s possible because of what you said. You said you have no opinion about the “millions”, but....
It’s here nor there, stop projecting, I’m not obsessed about anything, I asked you a question, your answer confused me because you said you had no opinion and then went into the possibility...that’s all. Let’s forget “abductions”.
Here’s a simple question, out of curiosity. You believe there is a possibility that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically.
Please give me a percentage from 0 to 100% on this possibility, just in your opinion what percentage. Simple question 0 to 100%, you don’t have to give me links or testimony, I just want to know on a scale of 0 to 100%.
You asked me: "do you believe the millions of people who said they were abducted by UFO’s?"
I then said I have no opinion about abductions...PERIOD. I THEN said that "I believe there is a possibility that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically." That statement says NOTHING about abductions.
Out of the blue answer?.....(so to speak)
50%
Looks to me like there were two shots 1/2 second from each other that struck the head.
The shots from the depository were mostly to distract the crowd from the other sharp shooters in order to frame Oswald, and maybe get a lucky shot in. Looks like all they did was hit Connally and damage the car from the depository windows.
The kill zone was in front of Zapruder, with unbrella man the signaler to go ahead and employ the crossfire. At least 5 nests...the two already mentioned from the depository 6th floor windows...one lower from the police station area...one from the grassy knoll fence...one a longshot chance from the storm sewer.
Looks like the first head wound came from the police station area nest cracking the skull at the back lower right entrance and blowing out the temple at the exit.
The second impact 1/2 second later came from the storm sewer gap...the only reason this guy had a shot was because the driver slowed right at the kill zone rather than speed up. This bullet entered in the already opened temple, blew more of the top of the skull loose, and then blew out the back where the skull had been cracked from the first head shot. You can see Jackie’s right hand suddenly lurch back either due to the force of this second impact against the head, or to try to instinctively catch pieces of the brain and skull that had flew backwards at the very moment of the second impact. On the Zapruder film, you can see 1/2 second after the first impact the back of the head extends out, that’s the tissue blowing backwards forming an opening at the lower right, from the second impact. The reason this impact wasn’t as explosive as the first is because the head was already severely damaged and couldn’t build the bullet shockwave pressure like the first could.
Jackie climbed on the truck to get the piece of tissue and carried it all the way to the hospital. She said she had his brains in her hand, overheard by both Connally and his wife.
The knoll fence nest must’ve missed but the flash and the noise was enough to make everyone run up the knoll after them/him only to be stopped by goons posing as agents.
Aliens and JFK. If you believe in the New World Order, you have a trifecta.
Maybe it was aliens at the grassy knoll and they used cloaking devices?
I can tell you have no idea what a firearm does. Maybe you should change your screen name.
I’ll ask in plain English:
Where did all your magic disappearing bullets land?
The Zapruder film says 8.3 seconds. The film ran at eight frames a second.
Where did all your magic disappearing bullets land?
There were many episodes of the ‘Men Who killed Kennedy’ The one’s I'm speaking of, the last 3 aired in 2003 were pulled off the air within a week. Those were the ones that broke the JFK assassination case, and are not even available on DVD since then.
Thankyou for a new term ‘COGNITIVE DISSONANCE’, I enjoyed reading about it. Though that term does not place Oswald at the scene of the crime.
***You’re off the reservation, you REFUSE to watch or read any evidence that destroys the conspiracy theories and points to Oswald??? Why should anyone take you seriously.
The “banned” Men Who Killed Kennedy??? I watched it at least 5 times, the whole thing on A & E !!
I’ve read and seen everything you have and then some, you selectively IGNORE the books and videos that point to Oswald.
It’s called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, look it up.***
I was wondering what the seven steps were and I found them this morning.
shock or disbelief
denial
bargaining
guilt
anger
depression
acceptance/hope
I saw a great deal of that yesterday. Not in that order and not all of them together. I talked to some people who were in various stages of the seven and it became apparent some didn’t want to progress. Some did and were delighted as the facts were laid out for them. The people who really wanted to discover the truth were more than happy at the results.
The progression worked easier with couples and tourists.
The paid and employed guides simply treated it like a carnival and they were entertaining the rubes. They were the ones who embelished the story of multiple killers until there a total of twelve assassins and six with rifles behind the fence. You can imagine a candy cane jacket, straw hat and cane. “Come one, come all”.
What were LadyBird Johnson or the Clintons thinking attempting to keep information from the people?
Are you comfortable with elites threatening lawsuits when they feel like it? Celebrities?
Why didn't they just come out and say we don't believe these productions, let the viewers decide for themselves. What are they trying to hide?
In this country things like this are not supposed to happen because the founders generally felt no information should be withheld from the people, that it was in the best interest of the country for the citizens to be knowledgeable.
Are you comfortable with the tactics the Obama administration is using to withhold information from us? He's doing the same thing!
***You missed a good chance. The so-called “Men Who Killed Kennedy” was not banned. It was voluntarily removed from the media under the threat of a large lawsuit from LadyBird Johnson.
I wish she would have let them air it again and then sue the pants off them. She didn’t because she didn’t need the money. Winning the case would have been a slamdunk.***
You really like to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head......WHERE did I say anything about "magic disappearing bullets"?? It's a new day and I am tired of dealing with the thoughts, words, and theories you falsely attribute to me and your arrogant, full-of-self posts. I'll give you the last word, so that you can close your mind and take a nap.
The Texas papers were delighted with the feisty LadyBird defending her husband against lies.
If the producers didn’t lie, they would have been able to have millions of dollars of publicity during the trial and they could have countersued.
Since when do people who speak the truth fear a libel suit?
By the way, Johnson was riding in the next limo. He didn’t kill Kennedy.
I’ve read your posts on this thread...you’re quite a name-caller showing you’re emotionally invested in this.
You say you were at the scene yesterday...that’s interesting. Are you from the Dallas area and if so do you have a connection to the Dallas police or anyone else involved in the investigation? It seems you try awful hard to convince yourself to believe in magic bullets and 7 minute miles by Oswald. Perhaps you’re a descendant of a Dallas official?
You ask “Where are the bullets?”...a large grassy area and if the police don’t really care to find them they probably won’t be found. They couldn’t find the one that hit the overpass guy (supposedly)...if they can’t find that one how could they find the others.
Earlier on this thread you said the Zapruder film proves Kennedy was hit from behind and it looks like he was on the first shot...what’s your explanation for the movement of Jackie’s hand and the changing shape of the back and top of the head 1/2 second after the first shot.
What’s your explanation of the Love Field scene where the Secret Service agents are called off the back of the limo and the one stands there waves his arms three times in disbelief?
What’s your explanation of all the open windows along the route showing no precautions were taken by the Secret Service?
Since when do people asking a simple question on their own property fear a government investigation? Ask Joe the Plummer.
Approximately 8.0 to 8.4 seconds. That’s documented by the tests on the Bell and Howell movie camera owned by Abraham Zapruder.
If you don’t know where your disappearing magic bullets landed, you have no idea what transpired at Dealy Plaza.
If you don’t understand trajectories, you will never understand what happened at Dealy Plaza.
I’ll answer one question. It was the end of the parade. The highway is on the other side of the underpass.
Now let’s try it again to make you think about what happened at Dealy Plaza. What injuries did your disappearing magic bullets create? Plain English enough for you?
You’re not willing to answer questions...just namecall.
Suddenly you don’t want to look at the Zapruder evidence when it comes to the immediate aftermath of the first head impact.
Funny you can’t see your hypocrisy...you say if the bullet can’t be found then it wasn’t fired but yet you admit the overpass guy was hit and that bullet wasn’t found. That should have been the easiest bullet to find seeing as there was less grass in that area.
What’s your explanation for that bullet not being found and could that explanation apply to the other bullets?
The History Channel producers were in a ‘no win’ situation to fight back. By the way, LBJ was just one subject that was in only one of the 3 episodes. Why did they pull down all 3 if LBJ was their problem?
These episodes also covered a Detroit employee deathbed confession about the Limo being flown back to Detroit with the windshield showing a frontal bullet impact, and he was told not to tell anyone about it. The evidence was destroyed there. Just another wacky witness I suppose!
Also included was the call that went out for the best cosmetic surgeons to immediately report to the govt for a major job needed. This reported by a family member of one who was contracted and she tells the story over a period of years.
Then there's the episode of Oswalds Mistress who spent most of the summer of 63 associating and working with him. Her accounting of Oswald is entirely different than the MSM, so because of that her 700 page book must be nonsense.
BTW, yes, LBJ was in the motorcade but according to a report he was listening to a device in his ear and ducked just before the shots rang out. Was it Yarlborough? I'd have to check, he was riding with him. I think the Senator also reported that when they drove past the Knoll there were clouds of burned gunpowder and and strong smell of it.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/august2006/290806jfk.htm
***The Texas papers were delighted with the feisty LadyBird defending her husband against lies.
If the producers didn’t lie, they would have been able to have millions of dollars of publicity during the trial and they could have countersued.
Since when do people who speak the truth fear a libel suit?
By the way, Johnson was riding in the next limo. He didn’t kill Kennedy.***
So what you just told me is you as an investigator know the name of the victim and that they were shot. Nothing more.
You don’t have a clue how they were shot, how many times they were shot or which direction they were shot.
You don’t understand the concept of front, back, side, up or down let alone ballistics, trajectories, calibers or wound cavities.
A man with a movie camera filmed this murder and you still haven’t figure it out.
You two share the exact mental capacities or illness as the 9-11 truthers. Substitute “Bush did it” for “LBJ did it” and there’s a mirror image.
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