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I guess ol' Patrick wants the government to bail out GM
1 posted on 11/21/2008 6:08:15 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

No way. Detroit has been the one sucking Michigan tax money by the shovel full. With their corrupt mayors wrecking everything.


2 posted on 11/21/2008 6:11:17 AM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, I'm A Racist and Proud Of It!)
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To: Kaslin

The UAW killed Detroit. It was an mugging that went bad.


3 posted on 11/21/2008 6:11:29 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: Kaslin
How about Detroit being one of the most liberal and democrat cities in one of the most liberal and democrat states...
4 posted on 11/21/2008 6:14:46 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kaslin
It was the unions and management agreeing to their demands that killed the auto industry. Also, the unions that gave unswerving support to the Rats cut their own throat. The Rats are the ones who push the CAFE standards and have the pie in the sky green ideas.

However, in the end they will get the bail out money and will limp along. If they succeed in getting the right to unionize without a secret ballot they will immediately try to do to the other auto makers what they've done to the detroit 3.

5 posted on 11/21/2008 6:17:45 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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It’s the labor union that thinks they are high and mighty and acting on behalf of the public. When actually all they were acting on was the pocket fattening of CEO’s pockets. The union is what killed Detroit. High wage demands that were out of context for jobs that could and were being done cheaper by other countries. There is a reason Jimmy Hoffa disappeared and now it is becoming more clear with each unemployment claim.


6 posted on 11/21/2008 6:20:36 AM PST by Wavrnr10
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He also still lives in the past..


7 posted on 11/21/2008 6:23:39 AM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: Kaslin
Thus when America was thrust into the Global Economy, GM and Ford had to compete with cars made overseas in factories in postwar Japan and Germany, then Korea, where health and safety standards were much lower, wages were a fraction of those paid U.S. workers, and taxes were and are often forgiven on exports to the United States.

That's the part that the Left always forgets or ignores. Passing laws that restrict Americans is one thing, but it hurts us in the global competition and we aren't the only show in town anymore.

8 posted on 11/21/2008 6:24:59 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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Who killed the U.S. auto industry? Easy, three letters: U-A-W.

While UAW slugs were getting paid NOT to work, Asian car makers like Hyundai and KIA were offering 10 year, 100,000 mile Warranties.

9 posted on 11/21/2008 6:25:27 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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I agree with Patrick and with Duncan Hunter that national security demands that we have our own heavy truck/auto, heavy shipbuilding, heavy aircraft, and heavy military industries.

It’s insanity to farm those businesses out of America.

Would I give 25 billion to GM to keep it afloat given that I’ve spent 5 decades putting burdens on it that have participated in making it unproductive?

Actually, I’d do better to get rid of the unreasonable burdens and revoked any legislation that makes them uncompetitive. That’d be worth far more than 25 billion bucks.


10 posted on 11/21/2008 6:27:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Kaslin

Deadly combination killed Detroit

1.) Corporate greed
Can you think of any reason why anyone should be paid tens of millions per year in salary. In addition to the salary you have all the other perks (bonuses, private chef, private plane).

2.) UAW
Despite union members making above average pay and benefits, the union wants more. I know a GM employee who makes almost $50,000 a year for sweeping floors. In the mid-west, that’s a great income for someone who never went to college, yet alone finished high school. And the union wants more money for less work. Where are the work ethics this Country was built on?

3.) Quality
Obscene costs for management, labor and retirees, government fees and taxes etc. have driven manufacturing costs up. The auto companies can either raise the price of their product or cut corners. Guess which one they chose.


11 posted on 11/21/2008 6:29:10 AM PST by mouse1 (I will fight for my America.)
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Not sure if Buchanan wants a bailout...but the reasons he outlined are why the auto industry is failing....esp the bad trade deals that do not allow US cars to compete with foreign makers.

If the government truly wants to save the American auto industry...its time to drop the liberal globalism and start slapping some tarriffs on foreign autos...until those countries open their markets to US autos.

Even in this era of liberal globalism, and basically anti-American politicians and their decisions....the world economy didnt really tank until the US economy tanked first...the US still has the most economic influence in the world...even as our politicians and other anti-Americanists try to trash this nation

We do not need bailouts...we just need to get back to old fashioned American common sense


12 posted on 11/21/2008 6:30:22 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (2010: A RINO Purge Odyssey)
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Okay, here's my amendment: On bailout oped and one bailout news story per day. One down, one to go!

13 posted on 11/21/2008 6:34:34 AM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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While we think the Global Economy is about what is best for the consumer, they think about what is best for the nation.

BINGO. Every unionized highly regulated industry is now functioning overseas. I'm surprised the auto industry lasted as long as it did...

14 posted on 11/21/2008 6:34:40 AM PST by GOPJ (Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1 -Olson)
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To: Kaslin
And if GM goes Chapter 11, America will soon be out of the auto business.

Maybe BMW should start producing Packards in Alabama?

15 posted on 11/21/2008 6:35:17 AM PST by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
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To: Kaslin
The old xenophobe continues to ignore the obvious answer.

What killed the big 3 was and is the UAW.

$75/hour cost to manufacture a car with the UAW.

$48/hour cost to manufacture a car anywhere else in the United States.

The UAW has been the cash cow to support the Democrat Party.

There is no question: the Democrat party will bail out the unions.


23 posted on 11/21/2008 6:52:47 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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Did some of you even read the article?

Many of the replies I'm reading are...
THE UAW KILLED DETROIT!!
THE UAW KILLED DETROIT!!
THE UAW KILLED DETROIT!!
THE UAW KILLED DETROIT!!

(keep repeating till you believe it)

Here's a little secret:

THE UAW DID NOT KILL DETROIT

What Buchanan is saying is there are many other reasons besides that has lead to the failure of Detroit automakers.

Issues like Washington interfering with stupid CAFE standards, issues like oppressive corporate tax rates, issues like an unfair trade balance, and of course the Global economy.

To be sure, Unionists had a large part of this epic failure - but they are not the only losers who are at fault.

28 posted on 11/21/2008 7:14:08 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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Detroit has been dead for decades. What I fear is the rest of the country will soon look just like Detroit. Philly had more murders than Baghdad just this summer. Liberalism is like a spreading mental illness. They will promote Mayors like Dinkins in NYC, but hate Guliani. All you need to get elected is have more bling than your opponent in Detroit.
29 posted on 11/21/2008 7:23:02 AM PST by chuckles
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When can we start to blame it all on BHO?


31 posted on 11/21/2008 7:54:36 AM PST by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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What is killing the US auto industry is a variety of factors, but the auto makers themselves share the blame. I see Ford and GM dealerships with rows of gas guzzling V-8 pickups sitting unsold...who decided to produce them instead of more fuel efficient vehicles? Ford produces an excellent hybrid crossover Escape/Mariner, yet production is so low that dealers receive only one or two a year. The Chevy electric vehicle, Volt, due in showrooms next year will be hardly anything practical due to its limited range and high cost. Of course what Detroit genius designed and produced the Pontiac Aztec?

I would like to see GM bought out by Hyundai or perhaps Toyota. It would serve them right for their mismanagement and probably result in better quality vehicles for US consumers.

32 posted on 11/21/2008 7:55:34 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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Are we better off now that manufacturing, for the first time in U.S. history, employs fewer workers than government?

The way I hear it there are more are more people working for the Government (at all levels) than their are working in the private sector to pay them.

Do you thing we have a problem here?

If you think the Federal Gov is too big now, just wait for four years.

33 posted on 11/21/2008 7:56:28 AM PST by BillT (Socialism = Equal Poverty for ALL)
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