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Supremes to review Barack's citizenshipCase challenging his name on ballot set for 'conference'
WorldNetDaily ^ | 11/20/08 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 11/20/2008 5:20:26 AM PST by Sammy67

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president.

The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.

The case, unsuccessful at the state level, had been submitted to Justice David Souter, who rejected it. The case then was resubmitted to Justice Clarence Thomas. The next line on

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To: Gemsbok

I appreciate the pings, but I think you should take a few extra seconds to review your posts before you post them.

Your sentences are often difficult to decifer.


101 posted on 11/20/2008 9:05:56 AM PST by Canedawg (The media is a ass, a idiot.," said Mr. Bumble.)
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To: Gemsbok
I fully agree he knows what he is doing. To me that not only makes it more scary, but proves that he is so arrogant and stubborn that he will do whatever he wants with no regard to this nation in any way. That makes him one of the most dangerous men I can think of. I don't think dying economy or law will prevent him from doing what he wants. Even William the Zipper Clinton cared about his legacy. I think Obama truly believes he will just force anything he wants to be “true” and the media is giving him just that.
102 posted on 11/20/2008 9:08:24 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: Canedawg

Okay, point taken.

decifer = decipher


103 posted on 11/20/2008 9:08:41 AM PST by Gemsbok (Follow the trail,...,.,.,.,..... I know where it leads)
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To: InterceptPoint
Do a search for "Obama" + "Supreme Court" on Google News. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. This story is being buried deeper than deep.

Pravda, ala "1984".

Every single person with a press credential in this country is now complicit in the attempted coup d'etat of the United States of America.

Every single media person with a microphone, a camera, or a byline is now in a state of Treason to this country.

And so is every single member of our Congress.

104 posted on 11/20/2008 9:09:21 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
Actually, we do not know for sure.

We do know for sure that Obama is a citizen. He holds a US passport. The only question is whether he is natural born or not.

FYI: A parent cannot renounce a minor's citizenship or have it taken away.

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN--Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.

105 posted on 11/20/2008 9:10:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: nclaurel
I fully agree he knows what he is doing. To me that not only makes it more scary, but proves that he is so arrogant and stubborn that he will do whatever he wants with no regard to this nation in any way.

What is just as scary as that the media has enabled him to continue even now! They are actually letting him get away with whatever he wants. This is truly scary! What other stories are they covering up or not reporting on? I just can not fathom any of this!
106 posted on 11/20/2008 9:17:23 AM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: kabar
FYI: A parent cannot renounce a minor's citizenship or have it taken away

This is where the origin of the Passport Obama used to visit Indonesia and Pakistan comes into play. He was an adult in 1981 and if he used his Indonesian Birth Certificate to get his Passport, he officially declared his citizenship as Indonesian.

It's a "gotcha" situation for Obama.
107 posted on 11/20/2008 9:20:10 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (If the Catholic Church doesn't boldly proclaim God's Word, I'm going to convert to Judaism.)
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To: ricks_place
They can't refuse Alan Keyes’s suit when it gets to them! He was a presidential candidate and definitely has “standing” to bring charges!

In 1775, about the same time as the royal governor sent out the troops to capture Adams and arms in Massachusetts, the governor of Virginia had the royal marines confiscate the arms and powder from the magazine in the capitol of Williamsburg. They did this by night, and although they were discovered by the nightwatch, the marines succeeded in removing the stores to their warships. The next day, Patrick Henry led his militia company to Williamsburg and surrounded the governor's palace. They thus held him hostage until the military stores were returned, which they were. (The governor and his family fled to the warships shortly thereafter.)

The aforementioned example is exactly what needs to be done to the SCOTUS building if they refuse this case!

108 posted on 11/20/2008 9:20:41 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: kabar
We do know for sure that Obama is a citizen. He holds a US passport. The only question is whether he is natural born or not.

Actually we do not know for sure. If he holds a US passport he received it as being a Senator and could have just as easily gotten it the same way he was able to be placed on the ballot. Remember that Certification that is shown on his site. Again overlooked by his masses.

FYI: A parent cannot renounce a minor's citizenship or have it taken away.

Correct a parent can not renounce his citizenship which is why we need to see the original birth certificate. This would establish what he was when he was born. By being adopted he was considered an Indonesian citizen but again parents couldn't renounce his citizenship. So, I now want to see the passport he travelled to Pakistan with. If this passport shows him travelling as an Indonesian citizen he had in fact renounced any citizenship he had with the United States. He would have had to update his passport which was in 1981 over the legal age. So much to see!
109 posted on 11/20/2008 9:23:19 AM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: Windflier

Not “ironic”, but POETIC JUSTICE!


110 posted on 11/20/2008 9:23:34 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
This is where the origin of the Passport Obama used to visit Indonesia and Pakistan comes into play. He was an adult in 1981 and if he used his Indonesian Birth Certificate to get his Passport, he officially declared his citizenship as Indonesian.

No problem. First, the US recognizes dual nationality.A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

"However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there. Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship. Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship."

It's a "gotcha" situation for Obama.

Don't bet on it.

111 posted on 11/20/2008 9:26:23 AM PST by kabar
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Not “ironic”, but POETIC JUSTICE!

That nails it!

112 posted on 11/20/2008 9:34:18 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jcsjcm
Actually we do not know for sure. If he holds a US passport he received it as being a Senator and could have just as easily gotten it the same way he was able to be placed on the ballot. Remember that Certification that is shown on his site. Again overlooked by his masses.

A US passport is proof of citizenship. In order to get one, you must provide proof of citizenship. They are not issued automatically to US Senators without meeting the normal requirements.

When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing.

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):

Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport

Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*

Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth

Naturalization Certificate

Certificate of Citizenship

So, I now want to see the passport he travelled to Pakistan with. If this passport shows him travelling as an Indonesian citizen he had in fact renounced any citizenship he had with the United States. He would have had to update his passport which was in 1981 over the legal age. So much to see!.

Not true. The US recognizes dual nationality and the use of another country's passport does not affect US citizenship. In order to renounce his citizenship, Obama has to to make a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state , in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State"

How do you think Obama got back into the US after travelling to Indonesia? What passport was used? And if he was born abroad, how did his mother get him back into the country?

113 posted on 11/20/2008 9:37:44 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Even if he could not lose his U.S. citizenship by acquiring foreign citizenship, could it affect his "natural born" status, via dual loyalties? I think that's the question.

Plus, if his father is indeed BHO,Sr., he would have been born a subject of Great Britain, again dual loyalties, and it wouldn't matter where he was born. Basis of Donofrio's case, right?

As BO's situation is rather complex, this needs to be sorted out.

114 posted on 11/20/2008 9:44:26 AM PST by christie
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To: Windflier
OTOH, the Bloggers seem to be on the case. Try this link:

The Bloggers: Donofrio vs. Wells

Lots of action here on Google.

115 posted on 11/20/2008 9:44:27 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: kabar
How do you think Obama got back into the US after travelling to Indonesia? What passport was used? And if he was born abroad, how did his mother get him back into the country?

I wish I knew - I can only guess so my statement would mean nothing.

My statement which means nothing I will state anyway! I do believe that he probably came back using the Indonesian passport and registered in his colleges as a foreign student thus giving him easy access to funds and priority admittance. This is why his college transcripts are also sealed.

I know none of this is proven and it is just a gut feeling. I just thought I would state my feeling although not proven. :)
116 posted on 11/20/2008 9:46:53 AM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: kabar
“...travelling as an Indonesian citizen he had in fact renounced any citizenship he had with the United States..”

“The US recognizes dual nationality..”

BUT INDONESIA DOES NOT; he would have had to renounce any other citizenship to get their passport!

117 posted on 11/20/2008 9:54:25 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

It’s my opinion to stick precisely with the constitution as it reads- a candidate must be a natural born citizen to serve as President. It appears that the Obama / Biden ticket could be completely disqualified.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


118 posted on 11/20/2008 9:55:56 AM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: Ancesthntr

Well, since YOU insist on coming back to reality!! :-)

ZERO, alias Obama HUSSEIN, alias Barry Soetoro, did in fact release according to him, his medical records. Zero’ Medical Records released to date comprise of a One Paragraph Note from a NoName Doctor stipulating that his BP is O.K.!
Oh, and when he was living as an imporished student at Columbia U. up on 149th in Harlem, his poor suffering apartment was on East 94th Street in NYC’s most upscale, expensive status Zip Code! hardly student digs! but then when Wealthy ARABs are sponsoring your studies, nothing is too good for the future MESSIAH!


119 posted on 11/20/2008 9:58:02 AM PST by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN is a Pathetic Puppet of Bill Ayers and Associates!)
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To: MayflowerMadam

If nothing else, the enclosed petition is a good source of info to get the word out.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


120 posted on 11/20/2008 9:59:55 AM PST by real_patriotic_american
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