Desperately Fleeing God in Cosmology

CEH ^ | November 17, 2008

[GodGunsGuts]

“Our universe is perfectly tailored for life"..."Call it a fluke, a mystery, a miracle. Or call it the biggest problem in physics. Short of invoking a benevolent creator, many physicists see only one possible explanation:"...

[GodGunsGuts]

ping!

[Jibaholic]

‘Reasonable Faith’ by William Lane Craig has a detailed section about this argument. Craig is renowned for consistently winning debates with the best and brightest atheistic philosophers on the existence of God.

[MrB]

My “recent” study of cosmology is what strengthened and renewed my faith.

[GodGunsGuts]

I’ll check it out...thank you!

[MrB]

The universe is not only “specifically taylored for life” -

the earth itself, its moon, its atmosphere, and all the rules of the universe, are taylored such that we humans can explore and discover those rules.

[BenLurkin]

“Our universe is perfectly tailored for life"..."

And yet life -- it turns out -- is VERY rare.

[GodGunsGuts]

Ditto!

[Mr. K]

I agree and i am not objecting to your support of this man, but I have come to have a new lack of respect for ‘debate winners’

McLame clearly was the better man, but Obamarama trounced him, when anyone with good ‘debate’ skills had everything AND the kitchen sink to throw at Obamarama

Biden was probably glad they only had the one debate...

..by the way, where is old “facelift and corn rows?”

[GodGunsGuts]

That is because the universe is perfectly tailored for life on earth.

[GodGunsGuts]

Yep. Obviously, it’s is not the chemicals in our brain that perceive the universe, it is something else. And it is that something else that most scientists are deathly afraid to look at—GGG

[MrB]

That is because the universe is perfectly tailored for life on earth.

The analysis about the nearly unique (it would take at least 100 spiral galaxies to produce 1 "earth") conditions for life on earth have extended out to our sun's position within the spiral galaxy that it is in.

I would not be a bit surprised if the galaxy's position with relation to other galaxies turns out to be uniquely suited for life to exist.

[MrB]

Someone on another thread asserted that if a computer were powerful enough, it could become conscious, because “obviously”, the arrangement of our brains eventually caused consciousness.

I didn’t get an answer when I asked if he was asserting that “mind” is the result of “matter”.

[willgolfforfood]

The universe is a ludicrously meaningless spec in the vast expanse of nothingness surrounding it.

Still, on most days, I'm delighted to have it about.

[ChinaThreat]

I agree. My study of physics, astronomy, biology and chemistry led me to no other conclusion that there was indeed a God. Atheism is an absolutely illogical position. They never answer the question about where all this stuff came from. And they will never be able to answer that question. Great men like Einstein came to the same conclusion.

Atheism is an escape for simple minds. Its basically a cop-out in my opinion. I have also never understood why creationists and darwinists argue. They are two completely different subjects. Darwinism doesn’t answer where everything came from any more than atheism does.

[Louis Foxwell]

The argument turns on starting points. By beginning with a given, that man exists, all of the necessities resulting in that given become consequential, not subsequential.
Betty boop, on another thread, is discussing the problem of time relative to quantum mechanics and etc. If time can be viewed in reverse with the present as the cause of earlier events the question of necessity for the existence of life is answered.
I have long felt (intuited) that the present does not just inform the past, the present determines the past. This is not so far fetched if we imagine that the universe is in its contracting phase and is running in reverse.
This line of reasoning is in keeping with the omniscience of God who must view all time in an instant. Whether creation is run forward, backward or as a jumble is incosequential since it all comes down to the magnificent surdity of now. This is all we know. Everything else is conjecture.

[Sherman Logan]

I don’t think this is a very good argument for the existence of God. (Although I believe there are many good arguments for his existence.)

If the universe was put together another way, we wouldn’t be around to wonder why it was put together the way it is.

It’s similar to wondering about the odds against you as a person being born. Dad meeting Mom. Conception with a particular sperm and egg combination, etc.

Billions to one against doesn’t come close. Yet here each of us is.

[Minn]

Isn’t the notion of more than one universe sort of silly? Isn’t the definition the term all encompassing? And while where at it, where did all that stuff that blew up in the big bang come from, and what was it doing be before then?

[count-your-change]

You can look at it like I look at my wallet:
It's wonderously sell designed for money but remained empty til someone who had some money put it in the wallet. I learned this after checking every day waiting for even one dollar to spontaneously appear. Didn't happen.

To the best of my knowledge my wallet is typical of all wallets.

[Sudetenland]

Why bother debating? Both Christianity (and all other Spiritual and or Religious beliefs) and Atheism require faith for the adherents to believe them, ergo Atheism is a Religion based on a belief that life as we know it occurred as the result of a mere coincidence (or actually billions of equally unlikely coincidences).

The problem for Atheists is, having arrived at their belief that God doesn't exist, they still are unable to answer the simple question, "From whence did it all come?" "What is the origin of the energy/mass which caused the universe to form?" Those who believe in God reply "God created it." He is the alpha and the omega.

Atheists are forced to reply...ummm...well...I kinda, had to, pull that one out of my a$$.

See atheism just doesn't work. So the debate is pointless. It's a debate between two religious views one involving God and the other involving coincidences and one's a$$.

Frankly, I've seen far too many miracles in my own life and those of others to believe in someone else's a$$. I'll trust in God.