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I need some positive reasons why not to plan for a SHTF scenario.

Posted on 11/16/2008 3:15:11 PM PST by rfmad

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To: Momaw Nadon
I'm a staunch conservative living near Boston(I was born here).

Do you have any recommendations as to which state is best to relocate to?

Safest bets from the Boston area if you want a deep rural "retreat" are northern NH, the nearby areas of Maine, and maybe Northeastern VT. Being near the Canadian border has its advantages.

Any New England location can be tricky in mid winter, since access, etc. can be problematic, but even an in-town location in a rural area is better than being stuck in a city.

If you want to be able to grow crops the far northern locations are less useful - the growing season is very short except in some south facing locations. But the prices are lower further north, and there is plenty of game in the woods.

A rural vacation home can be a good port in a storm for folks living in or near urban areas - just stock it carefully and make sure you have a way to get there.

221 posted on 11/16/2008 6:07:56 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: RightWhale

Do you mean buy a generator? WOW! The thing is, somehow these things don’t seem so far-fetched anymore since the economy started going off a cliff. The mood of the country has certainly changed.


222 posted on 11/16/2008 6:08:10 PM PST by OneTimeComment (I)
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To: Miss Behave

Any Day Darlin !.......:o)

Hope yer well !!


223 posted on 11/16/2008 6:09:08 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: rfmad

1) Don’t assume that things will happen quickly. There may be plenty of warning and time to prepare.

2) Don’t get caught in the boiling frog scenario, in which things happen so gradually, by the time you want to act, it is too late.

Prioritize how you do things. What will become short first, second, etc. Don’t buy a pallet of toilet paper until there might be a paper shortage. Also calculate expiration dates. A pallet of fresh tomatoes is not a good survival strategy.


224 posted on 11/16/2008 6:09:54 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Squantos
But I DID need to have my cool Sig. ;-)

Well...a girl's gotta stay in fashion.

225 posted on 11/16/2008 6:11:20 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Squantos
Even MORE well now, Squant.

I like the "darlin" part. ;-)

226 posted on 11/16/2008 6:13:01 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
And stock things to BARTER. You may have something to trade for other things you need.
Learn how to make soap out of hard wood ash and animal fat. I know it sounds way off, but soap to barter will buy you anything! Also, a soap maker can go to any town and find work.
227 posted on 11/16/2008 6:13:46 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: rfmad
If TSHTF, these maps may be of use in a worst case scenario:


228 posted on 11/16/2008 6:14:41 PM PST by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: OneTimeComment
Do you mean buy a generator?

For a generator, you'll need access to gasoline.

229 posted on 11/16/2008 6:14:55 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Jeff Head

Yup. All of our emergency planning involves NO electricity.

We have hand tools, hand grinders, and pedal sewing machine. Leather tools, tire repair kits, rubber belts, rubber hoses, and so on. Hand beaters, knife sharpeners, tons of supplies in mason jars which allows for reuse after harvest or hunt. Bicycles, wagons, carts. Tents. Axes. Band saws, rasps.

We have wool, yarn and fabric picked up at yard sales for clothing repair. Future jeans and shoes for growing kids.

We have medicines, painkillers, anesthesia, sterile guaze, steristrips, and other items that may be necessary to treat wounded. Quinine for malaria. Flea shampoo.

We do have frozen food, but we think of it as a bonus rather than the basis of emergency supplies.

We have seeds of all types, at least one breeding pair of bunnies and usually a couple of layers.

We have items for trading including salt. I don’t believe gold is worth having.

We have a cooking wood stove.

We have oil lamps and tons of oil. Solar flashlight and solar radio.

And on... And on...

If you do this long enough you just keep thinking of things that can be useful (like 6mil poly).


230 posted on 11/16/2008 6:16:19 PM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: concerned about politics
"The woman who wrote it lost her husband and was left with kids. She had nothing, and had to live on nothing. She learned how to live with no money and from total scratch. She even saved her chicken feathers (I don't remember how she got the chickens right now) to make quilts for her kids. That's how informative her book is."

God Bless her, cap.

And sometimes we think that things are tough.

231 posted on 11/16/2008 6:16:33 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: djf

I just recently got one when a relative was going into a nursing home, it is a midsized chest freezer and I have it completely full. Mostly with green and red chile but I have a few other veggies.

I have an upright full of meat and I could easily jerk it if there was a power problem. My 3rd freezer has the rest of the stuff, a lot of cheese and hot dogs and convenience foods. You could dry most of the veggies if you needed to also.

My grandson has about 20 chickens but it wouldn’t hurt to have a couple of goats for milk and meat and a few rabbits. I’m thinking small because I live in the desert and the isn’t a lot of grazing if the rains don’t come.


232 posted on 11/16/2008 6:20:19 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: TaxRelief
"We have items for trading including salt. I don’t believe gold is worth having."

Calls to mind (again, coming full circle on a term's meaning,) the origin of one being "worth his salt."

(I was talking earlier of some people not being able to "bait a hook," and how strange it is that some of these terms have literally come full circle.)

233 posted on 11/16/2008 6:21:05 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: TheStickman

ping


234 posted on 11/16/2008 6:21:25 PM PST by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: TaxRelief
For more non electric ideas, google “Lehmans” non electric store in Ohio. The store sells supplies to the Amish. They have a catalog you can order from. There's everything anyone needs there to live without electricity.
235 posted on 11/16/2008 6:21:59 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Agent_Dale_Cooper

Thread ping, dale.


236 posted on 11/16/2008 6:23:12 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: OneTimeComment

I’ve noticed some decent CD rates lately.


237 posted on 11/16/2008 6:24:51 PM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: steadfastconservative
Why would anyone think that the election of Barack Obama would lead to a complete breakdown of social order?

The financial mess is so bad, that for me - it wouldn't matter if McCain had been elected, Bush had stayed in office, or Obama had won...

It would have been the same.

This is a hope for the best, prepare for the worst kind of time... That said, the "end of the world as we know it" probably only has a 3% chance of happening - but it's too high to ignore.

238 posted on 11/16/2008 6:25:43 PM PST by GOPJ (Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1 -Olson)
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To: rfmad
By all means, plan and stock up!

If you are lacking in the skills needed, you might like this link - Book is fantastic -

Dare to Prepare by Holly Deyo

Another excellent source of information is:

Backwoods Home I dare you to read some of Jackie's articles and not say - danged I can do that.

You can forget the Silver and Gold - Don't for a minute think that I am going to trade my larder for your gold... You will have to have something I need to exchange for any of my freshly baked bread or a couple of dozen eggs.

Our family can go at least till next fall - and by then the garden, chickens, grain, etc. will replenish our supply. Greenhouse will provide salads all winter and plants for next years garden - heirloom seeds ready for next spring, winter wheat planted, potatoes stored, turnips and kale waiting in the garden even now.

Think Victory Garden! Did you know that even the South lawn of the White House was a Victory Garden under Eleanor Roosevelt? Even though the USDA didn't think it was a good idea. Victory Gardens provided more than 40% of the food during WWII. Google it!

But, the most important thing is to ACT. Plan and then follow through.

239 posted on 11/16/2008 6:26:52 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Gettin' Angry!!)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Oh, great, thanks. Being just north of the Twin Cities, for the radiation fallout, I’m screwed !!!!!


240 posted on 11/16/2008 6:28:07 PM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (It's not Obama, it's O-bey-me !!!)
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