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Are you an idiot to keep paying your mortgage?
SF Gate ^ | 16 Nov 2008 | Kathleen Pender

Posted on 11/16/2008 11:11:44 AM PST by BGHater

Should you keep paying your mortgage?

If you have significant equity in your home, absolutely.

If you don't, it's getting harder to answer that question, especially when our government keeps giving people who owe more than their homes are worth so many reasons not to pay.

Last week, the government announced a program that will substantially lower payments for many homeowners who have little or no equity, but only if they are at least 90 days delinquent.

Critics say the plan, which applies to loans owned or guaranteed by government wards Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac among others, could encourage people to suspend payments.

But what about the moral obligation to pay off a debt?

Elected officials have been chipping away at that by blaming the foreclosure crisis largely on predatory lenders. In a campaign fact sheet, President-elect Barack Obama says he "recognizes that the real victims in the subprime mortgage crisis are not the lenders, but the millions of borrowers who followed the rules and whose only crime was taking out mortgages that lenders told them they could afford."

Last year, Congress started removing some financial hazards of default when it passed a bill that temporarily waives the income tax on mortgage debt that is canceled when a homeowner is foreclosed upon, sells a home for less than the remaining debt (a short sale) or gets a loan modification that reduces the principal balance.

The tax waiver originally applied only to debt on a primary residence canceled in 2007, 2008 or 2009. Last month, in the bailout bill, Congress extended the waiver until 2013.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: credit; economy; loan; mortgage
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To: BGHater

Wouldn’t dream of not paying my mortgage. That would make me no better than the leeches.


21 posted on 11/16/2008 11:24:23 AM PST by AirForceMom (God Bless the USA)
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To: Gaffer

I have has section 8 renters and they were ok. The county had a payment chart and they had a limit. I had the renter pay $350 over the government payment. Already have enough tax breaks thank you.


22 posted on 11/16/2008 11:25:11 AM PST by nufsed
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To: ozark hilljilly

They’re already doing it in Texas. The state lowered property tax rates three years ago, so the county raised my property value $20,000 last year despite the fact that property values have fallen by 20% in our county. With more delinquent foreclosures, the tax guys are squeezing those of us that pay or bills a lot harder.


23 posted on 11/16/2008 11:25:12 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: BGHater

If you default, and the government bails you out, are you still reported to the credit bureaus as a deadbeat?


24 posted on 11/16/2008 11:26:09 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: ichabod1
I’ve been wondering the same thing. THe only thing I can come up with is that they’re looking at credit records for a lot more than making loans these days - like getting a job or an apartment.

No problem, I'm sure legislation will be forthcoming prohibiting your past credit indiscretions from being held against you.

25 posted on 11/16/2008 11:26:18 AM PST by Oliver Boliver Butt
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To: Richard Kimball

We have two properties in Riverside CA. The county did an adjustment without us requesting it and lowered our tax bills. The other two counties we’re in, we had to request it.


26 posted on 11/16/2008 11:26:36 AM PST by nufsed
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To: BGHater

I agree with Schiff. Whether you hate it or not, it makes little economic sense to keep paying on your mortgage when you are $200K upside down. Hence, that is why servicers have to be more aggressive in terms of lowering principal mods.

American Airlines and other companies restructure their debt to avoid bankruptcy. They are hailed for making attempts at avoiding bankruptcy. But if a homeowner tries to restructure their debt, Freepers and others make them seem like pedophiles. Why the different standards? THE BANKS KNEW OF THIS POSSIBILILTY, YET MANY REFUSE TO RESTRUCTURE EVEN IF IT LOWERS COSTS TO THEM! Why? Litigation, pure and simple. A confession that they knew that things could collapse.

Yes, bad people are “let off the hook.” But if we don’t do something, then we are in for a nightmare going forward.


27 posted on 11/16/2008 11:26:48 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: BGHater

Well, you gave your word.

Thank God people in the futures market don’t ask such questions. You give your word, you stick to it. No matter what.


28 posted on 11/16/2008 11:28:05 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: ozark hilljilly

They jacked ours up pretty high this year. Filed a protest ans did get it dropped some.

Of course, this was all before the meltdown so they didn’t come off near as much as what I tried for.


29 posted on 11/16/2008 11:28:14 AM PST by SouthTexas (Remember, it took a Jimmy Carter to bring us a Ronald Reagan!)
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To: nufsed

Hah, hubby applied for the Star program here and without even coming to the house, they reassessed us up almost $25,000.


30 posted on 11/16/2008 11:29:12 AM PST by AirForceMom (God Bless the USA)
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To: SouthTexas
I don’t have a mortgage payment, guess I’m screwed.

I've considered taking out a mortgage on my paid up home. I get lots of cash at a discount.....
31 posted on 11/16/2008 11:29:46 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: whitedog57

‘homeowner’

They wouldn’t need help on the mortgage if they ‘owned’ the home.

It’s not ‘their’ home.


32 posted on 11/16/2008 11:29:53 AM PST by BGHater (The GOP, the new DNC.)
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To: nufsed

In Texas, property valuations are a huge scam. The politically connected can get their valuations at about a quarter what everyone else gets. It’s the worst of insider government, all at the county level.


33 posted on 11/16/2008 11:30:36 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: jwalsh07

I have a friend whose family of 8 lived in a tent for years. After work every day he and the kids went to work building their new home. It took years that way, but they came out of the experience with a debt-free home, with six kids who could tackle most any part of home construction, and a family that was more close than 99% of the nation.

His wife came from a wealthy family, but they determined to do things on their own.


34 posted on 11/16/2008 11:30:54 AM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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To: jwalsh07

Me too . . . mortgage paid up and my Jeep has 125,000+ miles on it.


35 posted on 11/16/2008 11:31:36 AM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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To: nufsed
Don't get a little huffy, the story wasn't about you and your mortgage payments to start with, you were just tooting your own horn. I've owned dozens of them.

The story is about whether you should keep paying on a home that is not worth the mortgage??

36 posted on 11/16/2008 11:31:53 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts! Republicans do!)
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To: ozark hilljilly; SouthTexas
Good for you, but here's another way to look at it.

Let's say you took out $100,000 at 4% net (after mortgage deduction) and invested it in a safe liquid IUL program at 8% tax free. In 10 years. you'd have 200,000. If you wanted, you could pay off your house and still have the $100,000 with no tax burden.

Paying off your house is a false economy. There is no rate of return on equity. You can lose a lot of money with downturns. You can't always take it out when you need it (banks only loan money to people who don't need it-Bob Hope) and you have lost your largest tax deduction.

Best wishes!

37 posted on 11/16/2008 11:32:45 AM PST by nufsed
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To: SouthTexas
I don’t have a mortgage payment, guess I’m screwed. Same here.
38 posted on 11/16/2008 11:32:45 AM PST by Phoenix11
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To: whitedog57

There are a lot of people in CA who refinanced at the height and walked away with a lot of cash..and know very well that they could not afford the payments. They weren’t taken..the bank and them took the investors in the mortgage backed securities. We have a friend doing this kind of foreclosurer every day..and the owners are savvy..not dumb.
They know they made out like bandits and they milked it for all it was worth.
All this is just going to undermine the mortgage business in the future and make it more expensive for everyone to get a loan..but mostly the honest conservative.


39 posted on 11/16/2008 11:34:53 AM PST by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: org.whodat
Huff on this awhile. You should pay it because you owe it and you signed a contract to pay. If you can't pay, that's another story. If the bank will offer a better contract with no impact on credit, then take it. If you're setaling other people tax money, then you reconcile the dilemma with your own conscience. Toot, toot!
40 posted on 11/16/2008 11:35:37 AM PST by nufsed
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