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Ted Nugent: Obama's victory is sad vote for state of dependency
The Waco Tribune-Herald ^ | 11/16/08 | Ted Nugent

Posted on 11/16/2008 6:37:46 AM PST by LA Woman3

Before the election, Howard Stern's Sirius radio show conducted interviews in Harlem, N.Y., in which the interviewer, not identified with the show, recited John McCain's economic proposals but portrayed them as Barack Obama's.

Not knowing whose ideas they actually were, these people raved and gave them their full support.

The election of Obama is an example of Americans voting against their own self interest. It's also further evidence of the dumbing down of America.

Trying to explain how our economy works and why lowering taxes is always better for them and America than imposing higher taxes is an economic bridge too far for many of the Obama sheep.

Unfortunately there is no See Spot and the Economy Run book. Many Americans can't balance a check book or spell e-c-o-n-o-m-i-c-s, but they sure know who will give them stuff. The lie is impossible.

Expecting them to have analyzed the tax positions of Obama and McCain and arrived at a decision that truly benefits them and America is wishful thinking.

The reason is that they know zilch about how the economy operates and — worse — they don't care. Obama will take care of us.

(Excerpt) Read more at wacotrib.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bho2008; dependency; lp; nugent; obama; obamatransitionfile; tednugent; welfarestate
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To: mcshot

Never thought our Constitution and guiding principles were so fragile.


I’m admitted to the bar (not McDuffy’s either) and I always suspected it was fragile, and depended on the good faith of the citizens, the courts and the legislatures to continue to make it work.

that good faith is very questionable right now- especially beginning in the executive branch, starting on January 20, 2009.


81 posted on 11/16/2008 4:01:29 PM PST by Canedawg (The media is a ass, a idiot.," said Mr. Bumble.)
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To: mcshot
That’s one fault with our “flawed” Constitution and the other is gun ownership as I see O going after that.

What do you mean?

82 posted on 11/16/2008 4:05:58 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (((The hell with buckling the seat belts - Load the guns!)))
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To: McLynnan

Nugent Ping-a-ling!


83 posted on 11/16/2008 4:51:01 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: Las Vegas Ron

O said our Constitution was “flawed”. It seems obvious he meant the presidential eligibility requirements, i.e., BC, and a quick look at his gun voting record says the 2nd Amendment should be stricken.


84 posted on 11/16/2008 5:33:16 PM PST by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, Life, Guns and our Constitution as written!)
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To: LA Woman3
I'm sure Mr. Wheeler doesn't think he now has to worry about putting gas in his car or paying for his mortgage either. Maybe you do have to rub the juice over your face for that to happen tho....
85 posted on 11/16/2008 5:34:38 PM PST by machman
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To: machman
Oh no! For Mr. Wheeler and all the other Obama supporters....they voted for Santa Claus on November 4th!
86 posted on 11/16/2008 5:42:30 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: pnh102
More proof that the Founding Fathers made a mistake when they did not define voting as a privilege extended only to those in the military or those who are actual taxpayers.

Actually, the Founding Fathers extended the vote only to male property owners.

Subsequent modifications to that was a mistake.

87 posted on 11/16/2008 5:43:02 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: mcshot

I gotcha, I had forgotten about that. Time will tell what the “0” miester has in store for us plebes.


88 posted on 11/16/2008 5:46:22 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (((The hell with buckling the seat belts - Load the guns!)))
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To: river rat
He quibbles about the details, but STILL ACKNOWLEDGES he dodged the draft.

Some sources I've found somewhat credible in the past...

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/the_hypocritica.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/ted-nugent< Scroll down to the category "military".

Now you are quibbling about the accuracy of the sources you are using. Either a source is credible or it's not. Ted admits that he got a student deferment, and he has said he regrets having done so. He said he just didn't realize the necessity of military service when he was younger, and that is one of his motivations for being so pro-military now and why he supports our troops by going and entertaining them now.

Has Ted made mistakes in his past? Absolutely. Have I? Absolutely, and, speaking only for myself, the errors in judgment I made in my past have been the impetus for the changes I have made in my own life (hopefully ones for the better), and I am willing to give a man who stands with our men and women today the benefit of the doubt re his past errors because I feel he has made positive changes in his life also.

One last thing, THANK YOU for your service to our country. From your home page, I gather you are a Vietnam Vet. If so, know that there are some of us who have always believed in our VietVets and that they were used and abused by the country they served so gallantly.

89 posted on 11/16/2008 9:03:11 PM PST by Surtur (Palin-Nugent 2012)
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To: Surtur
Referring to the links I provided as somewhat credible might be seen as quibbling - but they were among the first I could google that are not known as crackpot sites..

Also - I never vouch for anything or anyone unless I can personally do so from my own knowledge.. Hardly quibbling - just being honest.

Of course - given that I've heard the scuttlebutt about Nugent for years, I'd be more prone to believe the worse about him than most... Interesting too, that with all the "talk" there doesn't seem to be a very prominent or public attempt by Nugent to kill the story.

By whatever means Nugent secured his "deferment", it appears by all the information available that is was secured by lies or a scam or possibly both...

Lots of folks pulled the same deal... I can deal with that, and still respect much of what Nugent has done since then..

However - even if ONLY the misbegotten student deferment was used to continue "rocking and rolling" while someone else bore his responsibility - it gives me the cold creeps to see or hear the fellow mouth and dress the role of macho man....

Could perhaps one of my beloved Marine brothers still be alive to share old age with me - if Nugent had stood up and fulfilled his own responsibilities in an honorable fashion?

In my mind, Nugent is one of the most reprehensible "chicken hawks" out there.... He should simple shut the hell up about his bravado.. The only warm blooded creatures Nugent has shot at or killed were four legged - and couldn't shoot back. They were unarmed.

90 posted on 11/16/2008 10:43:48 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
You are entitled to your views, and I won't begrudge them to you because I can't imagine the personal hell you went through in Vietnam. I turned 18 in 1972, and that was when they were using the lottery system for drafting purposes, and I was lucky in that my lottery numbers were always above 200 so I never even received a draft notice. If I had, I would have reported for duty, so I never served either, and I regret not looking into military service when I was still eligible, but I hold those who have served in the highest regard, esp those who served in wartime situations. I support them fully, and if that makes me a "chickenhawk" I guess I will have to live with that denigration. I also used to hunt, and nothing I ever killed was able to shoot back so I guess I am also guilty of false bravado too. I guess the biggest difference between Ted and me is that I am a very private person and he is this very public figure.

I don't know Ted personally, so I have to assess him through second hand accounts from others and from his own personal writings. To me, he seems like someone who has made errors in his past and is now trying to make the best of his present by doing what he considers the correct course of action now. Like all of us, he can't undo his past mistakes, but he can try to make amends for those errors by doing better in the now. His recent writings mostly put him on my side in this cultural war we are engaged in, so I try not to judge him too harshly for his error ridden history. You may be right when you speculate that had he not gotten a deferment and had entered the service, then one of your friends might still be alive to help celebrate your old age, but then again maybe not. Ted might have gone in, and died instead of your friend, but that friend might have then come home and been killed in a car wreck or become another John Kerry. Speculation about alternative choices always have at least two sides. That is why I don't like to speculate after the fact. It just does not do anyone any good.

Ted has a very outrageous personality, and I can understand why you have some antipathy for him. I just hope that you don't have that same antipathy for all of us in that same age range who didn't serve. And to be totally honest here, many of us who drew high numbers in the lottery mentioned above felt we had been blessed and given a new lease on life, myself included. Looking back, I feel some shame for having felt that way, but when you are young and your life is in front of you, sometimes abstract concepts like honor and integrity and service to others aren't the force in your life that they will become later on. In a way, I envy those who were drafted during that time because they learned those abstracts a lot sooner than the rest of us. Their innocence died much sooner so that ours could be extended, and for that, I again say thank you.

91 posted on 11/17/2008 12:00:13 AM PST by Surtur (Palin-Nugent 2012)
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To: Surtur

First - the term chickenhawk should only be applied to those who go to illegal or suspect lengths to avoid duty when called upon and then later become hawks for going to war or enlarging the war.
So that is a designation that doesn’t apply in your case..
You were never called upon.. Be grateful, not regretful.

Secondly - I too was an avid hunter and even more, loved to fish.
That all stopped when I came home.. Life became too precious to destroy for sport or recreation.
But I don’t begrudge folks who do... It’s my quirk, not theirs. I still own and love guns. One of my favorite pastimes is to shoot the hell out of paper, tin cans and rotten oranges with my grandchildren.

And, you’re right about the difference between a private person who remains so, and a public celebrity presenting themselves as a Gung Ho, ass kicking, gun waving, Rambo VII HMFIC — compared to the reality of what they were when their Nation called upon them to be a man - and they weren’t.

Nugent always struck me as the worst kind of REMF.
If I’m wrong about the man - I’ll feel terrible. But for now - I choose to dislike him for what I believe to be true about him. Frankly, I’m now too damned old to really care what is true or false -— I am now a prisoner of my emotions and automatic reflexes and find that I am ruled by them.

Nugent could be doing all the good things and mouthing all the good positions in support of the Nation, our Military and conservative ideals without all the false bravado which he has never demonstrated in real life — and I could still respect him.. As it is, I most certainly don’t.

Do I expect folks to have been always perfect - to respect them? Of course not. Have I done things I’m not proud of? Of course I have. But I am not a public figure and I don’t presume to behave in public as a person I am not.

I don’t really believe that those I lost would have been spared if any of the “men” had not run to Canada or had daddy pull strings for a deferment or could afford to be in college or stoop to the measures that Nugent himself described to the press. (And then later said he lied about it) Hell, I guess some folks even lie to their diary.

It’s just that I KNOW the caliber and measure of some of the men whose lives were cut short - and they were and still are better men than the assholes who ran from duty and most especially Nugent. It strikes me as incredibly cruel and unfair that some severely flawed men live long and prosperous lives, while the finest among us were cut down in their youth.

Right or wrong - Nugent has become my shit magnet.
Right or wrong - Nugent is a hero to many, I’m not among them.


92 posted on 11/17/2008 9:20:12 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

Everyone has to use their own judgment in dealing with life. That judgment is formed by each persons unique experiences. Your experiences have formed you just as mine have formed me. Neither is right nor wrong for anyone else, just different. Your judgment has its own validity and is certainly right for you. It is interesting to gain insights into another’s thought processes. This has been a very intriguing exchange and I think I now understand your viewpoint much better. You take care now, and have some fun with your grandkids shooting up some milk jugs and tin cans.


93 posted on 11/17/2008 3:08:46 PM PST by Surtur (Palin-Nugent 2012)
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