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Posted on 11/15/2008 6:02:03 AM PST by GOP_Lady
Joe the Plumber case still dripping -- Half-dozen agencies access records of Ohio man
By Dennis J. Willard, Akron Beacon Journal staff writer
Published on Friday, Nov 14, 2008
The election is over, but the Joe the Plumber case is not.
Ohio Inspector General Tom Charles said his office is now looking at a half-dozen agencies that accessed state records on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher.
The Beacon Journal has learned that, in addition to the Department of Job and Family Services, two other state offices — the Ohio Department of Taxation and Ohio Attorney General Nancy Rogers — conducted database searches of Joe the Plumber.
Wurzelbacher became an instant celebrity after he asked Barack Obama a series of questions in his Toledo driveway about the Democrat's tax policies.
In the third debate between Obama and Republican John McCain on Oct. 15, the candidates referred to Joe the Plumber more than 20 times.
The next day, the taxation department conducted two separate searches of a database of liens for unpaid taxes that were certified to the Ohio Attorney General's Office for collection.
John Kohlstrand, a taxation department spokesman, said he is prohibited from talking about individual taxpayers, but he confirmed that the databases were checked.
The searches were done to determine whether a lien placed against the individual was appropriate and whether it remained unpaid or not, Kohlstrand said.
The department's first search of the day was unsuccessful because of incorrect information about the individual, Kohlstrand said. Ohio Attorney General Nancy Rogers' office then contacted taxation because it was having difficulty accessing the database, Kohlstrand said. After the two agencies talked, taxation completed a successful search.
Kohlstrand said that the AG's office wanted access to the records so they could turn over to the national media lien information that was a public record in Lucas County. He said the national media did not have reporters in Toledo, so the attorney general's office was helping them out with public records.
On the day following the two searches, the taxation department conducted a search of another in-house database that tracks cases and correspondence between taxpayers and the department before the liens being certified and turned over to the attorney general for collection.
Rick Anthony, deputy tax commissioner, said there are times when a payment can be in the pipeline so a lien appears unpaid when in fact the taxpayer or business has repaid the state.
Anthony said the database searches on both days were conducted to ensure that the information in Lucas County was being properly reported by the media.
''Wouldn't that have been a disaster if the lien had been paid,'' Kohlstrand said. ''The responsible thing for us to do would be to take prompt steps to make it right.''
''We are not aware of any inappropriate browsing of information by anyone in our department pertaining to Mr. Wurzelbacher,'' Kohlstrand said.
Jim Gravelle, a spokesman for Attorney General Rogers, said he could not comment on individual records because of privacy issues. He said he would not confirm or deny that the AG's office went to taxation or whether his office had been queried by the inspector general.
The day after the debate, media outlets began reporting that Joe the Plumber's real name was Samuel, he was not a licensed plumber and he owed close to $1,200 in back taxes and additional money to a hospital.
His home was besieged by media outlets, including television crews that camped on his lawn.
Wurzelbacher had questioned Obama's plan to raise taxes for anyone with an income exceeding $250,000 because he planned to purchase his own plumbing business.
His current income made him eligible for a tax break under Obama's plan.
Wurzelbacher later endorsed McCain at a campaign stop in Ohio and hired the Pathfinder Management group in Nashville to manage his career.
Kohlstrand would not comment on an investigation by the inspector general, but Charles confirmed Thursday that he is looking into the taxation department to determine whether their searches were appropriate.
Charles said he does not know at this point if anyone in any of the agencies did anything wrong.
The inspector general began investigating after news reports surfaced that Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, ordered her agency to conduct background checks on Joe the Plumber.
Jones-Kelley maintains that her agency routinely checks on people who are thrust into the spotlight to determine whether they have unpaid child support bills, are receiving public support from her department or owe unemployment taxes.
After the election, Gov. Ted Strickland placed Jones-Kelley on paid leave. The governor said the suspension was for a matter unrelated to the background checks on Joe the Plumber.
The media told me more about Joe the Plumber’s past in 24 hours than they told me about Senator Obama’s past in 21 months.
This applies only if one wins the lottery, commits a crime, etc., etc.
This is the essence of the problem. thank you for pointing it out. I read about it in my poli sci books 30 years ago and it’s only gotten more dire. It’s nice that we can elect people every odd year but the fact is they only go as far as the permanently placed bureaucrats allow them. Reagan preached this because he knew it stopped him from doing the real work that needed to be done, the dismantling of about 3 cabinet level departments. Bureaucrats are the real power.
LOL. You’ve got that right.
Who’d thought? Big Brother turned out to be Big Sister. This whole episode is disgraceful and if the voters of Ohio have any sense at all, they will remove every person whose dirty fingers touched this matter from office and demand the firing of those who don’t hold an elected office. Remember Ohio citizens this could well be you should you be so unfortunate as to be “trust into the spotlight”. And by the way someone should demand the governments peons cite the law that gives them the right to determine what constitutes “thrust into the spotlight” and the right to take search actions based on such a determination.
It means that as soon as things settel down they are going to trump up a cgarge or charges on Joe and put his butt in prison.
They are also going after President Bush.
It may be a month. It may be a year.
The charges may be true,but, they probably will be false. This does not matter. Power does as it pleases.
“What’s that all about?”
Supposedly, as the story goes, the agency has the right at any time to determine if a citizen is behind in child support or owes the state money. Since it was announced that Joe was a single parent with a son, they did a ‘routine’ check on him.
That is their excuse; we’ll see if it flies.
“Jones-Kelley maintains that her agency routinely checks on people who are thrust into the spotlight to determine whether they have unpaid child support bills, are receiving public support from her department or owe unemployment taxes.”
Another little gem that exposes the arrogance of the fascistii. To think that people like this are given such unaccountable power to ruin families.
Does Joe have a lawyer? When does the “show-trial” begin?
” The charges may be true,but, they probably will be false. “
Given the incredible volume and complexity of laws (Federal, State, County, and Municipal) that we’ve saddled ourselves with (the road to totalitarianism is paved with good intentions), there is virtually no one in this nation who is ‘without sin’....
They can come for any of us, at any time, while piously proclaiming adherence to “Rule of Law”....
Dissent is about to become a dangerous avocation.....
Amen to that!
By this time next year, the jeers will be turned to tears on the faces of a lot of the sobs that voted for Obama.
The last thing I heard in the new is that Joe does have lawyers and he is deciding on whether to use their services.
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” the jeers will be turned to tears on the faces of a lot of the sobs that voted for Obama. “
Many, if not most, of the Obama voters in my acqaintance would gladly join in the denouncing of their neighbors to the ‘authorities’, should it become fashionable to do so....
Freedom from abuse, PING! :-)
This isn't just about Joe the Plumber. We are all Joe the Plumber....maybe a good defense fund is in order.
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