Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes
Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.
Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.
A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.
Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.
This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.
Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.
Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.
An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:
http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.
They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.
This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.
How very convenient.
Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?
Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.
His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.
Why hide it, Mr. Obama?
What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?
I don’t remember seeing anything in the Constitution that allows a political party to exchange a candidate after a general election. The State ELECTORS could choose to vote for another candidate, but then McCain could file suit as an injured party. I don’t think this is going to end as nicely as some people think. I also think if the SCOTUS chooses to disregard a very clear portion of the Constitution, especially one that is easily remedied (show the certificate) then how can you selectively enforce ANY law?
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Sorry, I misread your post. It looked like you were saying tear the Military apart or tear the country apart Militarily. My bad.
Further, this could be done “in camera” The only people that would actually see the certificate would be the Justices. There is no need for the public to see the actual certificate, but the Justices could determine eligibility and rule accordingly.
My back is covered. A Republican Deputy Sheriff lives a few doors down from me, the Republican County Sheriff lives across the highway, I have a Republican Highway Patrolman living next door, and I live in a deep Red county in a red state. Everybody in my little town has a concealed carry permit and are well armed.
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See my previous post, I misread the original. But seriously, would we really want to see that happen? I know it turns our stomach, but look again at the Barack’s acceptance speech. Specifically, look at the crowd, and not just Oprah and Jesse. People were sobbing uncontrollably. If by December, it were announced that he is no eligible, could you really deal with the riots and outright war that would follow? Our military would be fighting itself. Is it worth it?
Good. Some of these people are unhinged, I remember a Freeper working on something and his house burned.I’m sure you remember Chief.
That would at least be better than what we have now.
Better stock up on protonix then this one is giving me heartburn! erpppppppppp oops excuse me.
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But what is possibly already treasonous and seditious is the security breaches that have taken place as recently as today with his CIA security briefing.
I find it hard to believe with what’s known of his background he can get even low level security clearance. If he can’t even validate the place of his birth and has access to the nation’s highest intelligence, this investigation can’t stop at the electoral college.
You are one lucky “dude”!
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hi D - our wives like those Crissy dolls
I’m not so sure, This is a story that has been around for months. If anything the anger could be directed at the Dems and Obama for foisting a fraud on the country. I could understand the outrage if this were a new issue, but it’s not. The Dems could have had time to replace Obama with Hillary as the front runner and they still would have had the White House. Now, it’s possible they could be shut out for 4 more years because of the deceit and ego of “The One”
Actually I think we should still be hitting on this.
“Let’s not talk about this. It is treason and sedition. And lets do our best to keep FR around.
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No, it is not. Treason can only be applied during war and sedition is not an act when upholding the Constitution. Refusing to uphold the Constitution is sedition!
The country is tearing apart already. Better now than when the SOB’s are fullly entrenched.
Preserving our constitution and our republic is worth everything! Its sad you can't see that.
What would happen if we DON'T preserve our constitution is WORSE than any riots and outright war. If our SCOTUS don't uphold the constitution and demand that Obama prove his eligibility.......then from this point forward ANY foreign national (INCLUDING OSAMA BIN LADEN) can march into the USA, run for President, NEVER HAVE TO PROVE CITIZENSHIP, and waltz into the White House with enough money. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?
I’m going to go out on a limb here and offer a possible answer as to why a (R) Gov and friend of Palin would ‘seal’ this certificate.
What if by ‘sealing’ it she is preventing tampering with the thing????? Even Obama can’t get to it.
Only a court order ‘unseals’ it and she’s waiting for that court order KNOWING lawsuits are going to come from those with REAL STANDING - i.e., ELECTORS as opposed to mere citizens such as Andy Martin or Berg.
Just a thought.
Time to get to the bottom of this issue, one way or another.
There better be a guard on the Gov to protect him from the O-Thugs.
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