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1 posted on 11/06/2008 5:58:46 AM PST by NYer
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The main reason is geography. The largest percentage of white Evangelicals are in Southern states that were never in play for Democrats. They were therefore never part of any outreach effort — Obama's 50-state strategy didn't involve sending campaign staff to organize Alabama Bible colleges. Instead, the Obama camp focused its energy on a handful of battleground states with sizable Evangelical populations, including Colorado, Indiana and Michigan.

In those target states, Obama both outperformed his national average among white Evangelicals and chipped away at the GOP's 2004 advantage. In Michigan, where the state party began building relationships with social conservatives in the western half of the state during the 2006 election cycle, Obama won 33% of the white Evangelical vote, a 12-point shift from 2004. The campaign's Evangelical outreach coordinator spent the last weeks of the race in tightly-contested Indiana, with impressive results — 30% of the state's white Evangelicals voted for Obama (a 14-point gain), and the Democrat split the Catholic vote with McCain (a 13-point gain).

2 posted on 11/06/2008 6:00:00 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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3 posted on 11/06/2008 6:00:35 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Nationally, Obama captured 53% of the Catholic vote,...

While I do find it hard to grasp some how geniune "evangelicals" could cast their ballot for Obama, I'm blown away that 53% of Catholics supported this guy and his positions. Is the Catholic church tanking?

4 posted on 11/06/2008 6:02:42 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: NYer

Amy Sullivan is a typical scoffing fool.

God’s perfect will was done.

This nation is under God’s judgement for murdering millions of innocent babies.

God’s greatest curse to the living is, “I will cut off your generations.” This is a nation that has volunteered for that curse, through the election of liberal presidents and congresses that placed liberal chowderheads on the Supreme Court.

As “Rev.” Wright would say, “Americas chickens have come home to roost.”

Amy Sullivan will probably never get it. Even when her world is collapsing around her. Unless there is Divine Intervention in her life, to lead her to Christ, she will never, and could never, understand.


5 posted on 11/06/2008 6:03:14 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it's safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama's election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained.

This sentence is all the proof needed to show how very little the Drive-Bys know about evangelicals. They consider God to be at work in all elections...not that God is necessarily pleased with the selection of BO, but that He is definitely at WORK in his occupation of the White House. His hand--not Barack's--is what guides the nations.

6 posted on 11/06/2008 6:03:20 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: NYer
Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it's safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama's election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained.

Oh, I'm sure Obama is the man God wanted for this nation at this time. But then, Hitler was the man God wanted for Germany at that time.

But never fear. God took down Hitler when God determined that it was time, and he will do the same with Obama.

7 posted on 11/06/2008 6:06:26 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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“In this extraordinary election, however, 2 million of those additional Evangelical voters ended up on the side of Obama”

I'll just go ahead and say it. Anyone that puts support behind a man that champions the “right” to murder innocents in the womb isn't a true Christian.

8 posted on 11/06/2008 6:06:46 AM PST by dixiedarlindownsouth
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Duplicate thread & source - note that TIME has changed the headline since yesterday.
9 posted on 11/06/2008 6:07:39 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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There is a sort of “moral equivalency” that has crept into our thinking. We’ve come to believe that one issue is just as weighty as another. Or that one set of issues balances out another. That we are free therefore to pick and choose according to those things which “matter to us.” But we know that some moral questions are far weightier than others. For example, issues of life and death are far more significant than economic reforms we might like to see. To see such a large number of “Evangelicals” and Catholics voting for Obama is indeed discouraging. Nonetheless, God has indeed ordained this outcome, and we have yet to see what will result.


10 posted on 11/06/2008 6:10:52 AM PST by Obadiah
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Just shows again that the media does not GET Evangelicals at all. Obviously, when Dr. Dobson made that statement he knew what he was saying, what he was praying for. My prayer was that God would not deliver our country into the hands of Obama and his ilk, but I also prayed that God’s will be done. I also knew what that could potentially mean and I trust Him, even though I have had a hard time dealing with it. This election has gone this way for a reason, for His reasons, and this is our opportunity to shine and show ourselves to be His children.

There is not a Christian that could vote for a man like Obama and the fact that a disturbingly high percentage of Evangelicals and Catholics did vote for him just demonstrates how lukewarm and fallen many of our churches have become.


21 posted on 11/06/2008 6:17:28 AM PST by FarRightFanatic
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To: NYer

It doesn’t matter what he thinks. He wants God to prevail. I understand.


25 posted on 11/06/2008 6:20:17 AM PST by DeLaine (You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it.)
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I firmly believe God's will was done on Tuesday. There were so many faithful Christians praying for our country over the past few weeks. If Clinton had not served for 8 years, would we have had GWB in the White House on 9/11? Thankfully, W was there, and not Gore or another pacifist. We endured 4 years of Carter to be blessed with 8 of Reagan. God has a plan and it is perfect.

I know several liberal baptists and episcopaleans who voted for Obama. I do not consider them to be evangelicals and they would hide their heads in shame at that label. They have authored their own God and named him "Jesus," too. Who applies the "evangelical" label - does it mean "church attending"? Just because you sit in a church does not mean you are a Christian or that you believe that God's word is true and applicable. Non-Christians just don't 'get it,' and never will.

26 posted on 11/06/2008 6:21:02 AM PST by too much time (Now WHY are my kids still in public school?)
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No true Christian, Evangelical or Catholic, would vote for Obama but there are lots of “Matt. 8:21-23 Christians”. OTOH, I agree with NYer that a main factor was geography: those people who live in states with large black population, who know what this group of people can be, went for McCain.


28 posted on 11/06/2008 6:24:15 AM PST by Former Fetus
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a homosexual author pushing for homosexual chinese menu faux churches.


32 posted on 11/06/2008 6:26:46 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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the Focus on the Family founder chatted with Sarah Palin on his radio show and shared his backup plan for the struggling GOP ticket. He was, Dobson told her, praying for “God’s intervention” and that “God’s perfect will be done on November the 4th.”
Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it’s safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama’s election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained.

If the writer was a Christian they would understand that it is all in Gods hands and though as Christians we pray for Him to grant us a good leader for our Nation since too mnay of us have turned our face from Him he may just send us a crappy perosn as President to teach us a lesson.
It seems to me that this is exactly what has happened.


35 posted on 11/06/2008 6:34:28 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: NYer

So many church goers chose wrong and did not vote the Bible because they have not had a change of heart, have not been truly born again and therefore do not have the Lord Jesus Christ in them or his Spirit.

Faith (in Jesus Christ) comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God and the Christian Churches are not preaching the Bible which is what they need to hear in order to become a Christian and have Him living in them.

The churches are preaching pop psychology, sermons on how to fix this, how to fix that, finance, relationships, etc. All the How to Sunday morning sermons mean nothing to an unchanged, unconverted heart that does not have Jesus Christ residing in it. They are just layering on good works on a dead corpse, layering on appearances of change when deep inside there has been no change, no conversion, just a veneer.


37 posted on 11/06/2008 7:07:32 AM PST by Esther Ruth ( Jesus - No other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12)
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To: NYer
Unless Dobson has undergone a dramatic political conversion, it's safe to assume he does not consider Barack Obama's election on Tuesday to be divinely ordained.

On the contrary, Amy, it very likely is God ordained.

And likely you're not going to like the long term consequences very much.

41 posted on 11/06/2008 8:01:26 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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http://www.lifenews.com/nat4551.html


47 posted on 11/06/2008 6:04:24 PM PST by Bramuce
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As a Christian Pastor, I believe God has allowed Obama to be elected President as an instrument of His judgment upon this nation. Obama will now lead this nation into captivity under the judgment of God.


49 posted on 11/06/2008 6:12:00 PM PST by evangmlw
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for later.


52 posted on 11/06/2008 8:04:11 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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