Posted on 11/04/2008 1:36:24 AM PST by Leifur
November 4th 2008 the American people will choose a new president. The president of the United States of America is the most powerful person in the world.
We would like to know who would be the next president of the United States of America - if the world could vote!
In the presidential election in 2004 122,267,553 people voted. 6,500,000,000 people did not.
http://iftheworldcouldvote.com/ ------------------------------ Vanity begins here:
Sadly Obama has huge lead according to this well unscientific but interesting survey of world opinion. But like they say, of course only Americans should be able to vote as USA is an independent country. Actually Obama has a lead of 80% in the US itself, maybe you guys could change that.
There are only three nations I can find (sadly by far not my nation) where McCain is in lead, Macedonia (a huge lead, I wonder why, albanians are just a minority there), Albania (rather recently it tipped to McCain, I guess because of Kosovo) and the single voter for the pacific island nation of Niue. McCain gets though a lot of support in some countries, like Venezuela (understandably I think) and Lesotho. -----------------------
But what does this people really know about what is at stake? I don´t think there is much, they don´t seem to coprehend what the real problems are that are facing the US and that the Obama - Concress - House axis is going to do just the opposite of what the US needs to do to fix its main problems under Democratic control.
That is instead of reducing spending, lowering and simplifying taxes (especially corporate) and most importantly reducing the future liabilities of the US state (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, military pension and so on), they are going to increase it on all fronts. They are even going to take on further liabilities for non-citizens illegally in the country whose flood they are not going to stem.
And thus they will have to cut the only spending that is really justifiable, military spending.
Just as Biden sayd, the world, i.e. worlds dictators and enemies of libertiess, is going to test the new administration, and when it reveals itself as soft, those forces are going to go full frontal. Exspect dictators to be more brutal and act without impunity, others are going to take powers as democratic elements in many countries are going to loose power with the gradual weakening of the US.
I am afraid that under such a big majority in both houses and having the presidency the US will weaken considerably quickly but more importantly all the irreversable changes they are going to make are going to put the US into a path of future irrevelence surely and gradually as they will not be able to be a world player when they can´t cope with their own problems at home and their countries welfare liabilities to their population.
Please Americans, be sensible, don´t go down the path of European socialdemocracy, a world without a strong America is a world of increasing dangers. Vote McCain and Republicans and please start fixing your many problems at home before its to late (sadly I am not completely sure those two are linked even though McCain will be less disastrous president).
God bless the US, Iceland and all their western allies.
but make sure to vote in:
http://iftheworldcouldvote.com/results
But of course in the real elections too, and correctly;)
Not that I care too much about what the rest of the world wants us to do, I thought McCain was much more popular than Nobama in Poland.
I would have guessed that also, but I think it reveals how the EU operates, its media shapes public opinions like a cabal of socialdemocratic special interest groups depended on the EU. When living in the EU you only get one truth from the Media, that at least seems to me to be the truth.
But what about the US, how many people frequent this site? You could change the vote here if you wanted, just like you can win today the real elections. Best wishes,
Leifur
> Not that I care too much about what the rest of the world wants us to do...
You probably should, mate. What’s good for a huge part of the rest of the world is definitely bad for America.
I disagree with you, I mean I don´t beliewe the ones voting in huge majority in this survey for Obama to be right, they simply don´t realize the implications of an Obama victory. The US has huge problems it needs to face and correct, but he has in fact not said anything that could make me optimistic that he will tackle those problems. And the world doesn´t seem to realize that if the US does not fix its problems it will hurt the rest of the world, at least the democratic world and democratic elements in many countries.
A weak US will give dictators and undemocratic elements in all countries a green light for using violence and political opression to take power.
Interesting comment. A good portion of the rest of the world wouldn’t exist in it’s present form if it weren’t for the United States. So please, enlighten us as to what’s good for the rest of the world.
Big deal, if the animal kingdom could vote, Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney (this year’s Green Party candidate) would be our next president.
> So please, enlighten us as to what’s good for the rest of the world.
Ask yourself this — what’s best for the ChiComs: a strong America or an America drifting towards Marxism?
Same question, put differently — what’s best for Europe: a strong America whose dollar dominates world trade, or an America stuck in tax-and-spend?
Same question, put differently again: what’s better for Russia: an America who is willing to flex its military muscle, or an America that will negotiate without preconditions?
Same question, again: what’s better for Iran: an America that will surely punish misdeeds, or one that fears to interfere again in the Middle East?
If the world could vote in your elections, they would vote for Obama. Informed Self-Interest would make them do so.
I think you’ll see from Post #8 that we are in complete agreement.
If the rest of the world likes Obama it is an excellent reason to vote McCain.
I replied to the college mate that posted this one, I didn’t want to do it in an insulting way, but to teach fiscal conservatism;
Low tax rates increase revenue to the government, increasing job opportunities, and grow the economy. So it would be a triple economic gain to have McCain’s goal of lower tax rates.
I’d let Macedonia, the Former Yugoslavian Republic vote, and may be Albania, but the rest don’t seem to have our economic interest as a high priority.
October 28
Well, they just don´t realize what is good for them, just as it seems sadly the majority of US voters. It is all about the battle for ideas. And what you say about fiscal conservatism is spot on, but the thing is, if the US is strong financially, the world is better off, especially though the democratic countries and democratic freedom loving elements of other countries.
You know you can help fix the wrong results shown in the survey for the US by voting:
http://iftheworldcouldvote.com/
The downfall of the US is not in the interest of the rest of the world, and self interest should convince the rest of the world they need a strong america, economically, militarily and democratically (free-speach wise), but the sad thing is that anti-american often undemocratic elements in these countries often control the political discourse through the media and often the governments too. But for democratic and freedom loving people we would truly start despairing when the US stoppes beeing the bulwark of freedom.
You could help fix the wrong results for the US in this survey here:
http://iftheworldcouldvote.com/
The ChiComs better hope for a strong America, because America is still the engine that drives the world. We drive Europe, we drive the Asian markets. Look at what is happening right now. The big message being passed around is that the U.S. no longer wields power. And yet, look at the world markets. They are a basket case. Where do their investments go?
Whose currency just rocketed upward. Japan is the only other currency that held it’s own.
Okay, again, what is best for China? A week America? LOL, that means that European, Asian, and U.S. presence in it’s economy would be cut drastically. It’s already feeling the effects. A lot of it’s businesses are closing. It’s economy will not keep roaring along without the rest of us, and the U.S. is still the driver.
Okay, you mentioned Europe next. How is Europe doing right now? Do you thing Europe wants a weak U.S. economy right now? You know better than that.
How about Russia? Do you think Russia is benefiting from the drop of oil to $65.00 per barrel vs the $147.00 earlier this year? Believe me, as much as Russia shoots it’s mouth off, it wants the U.S. driving world trade and markets. When those markets roar, it’s oil is worth twice as much.
Who buys Iran’s oil? Whose economy drives the value of Iran’s oil?
Look, you can find reasons to think the United States decline would thrill a lot of nations. I think I’d agree with some of them. The problem is, there is that thrill, and then there is reality. If the U.S. does poorly, the demand for global energy supplies and the driving force for world trade plays hooky. And that screws up the global economy.
Yes the world thinks it wants Obama. The guy is a clown. He will do serious damage to the interests of the United States. And when he does, the nations that thought they wanted to see the U.S. on it’s knees will be sorry. Because in many instances, the U.S. on it’s knees, translates to a downturn in their own economies. Then they have to deal with unrest at home.
Informed self-interest would not cause the world to vote for Obama. Economically he is a basket case. His plans are suicidal for our economy. So if you’re talking about self-interest, this guy should scare the pants off anyone who deals with the United States.
Even our worst enemy right now, Iran would see it’s oil drop to about $25 per barrel if the U.S. were to experience an extended downturn. They would be very sorry, their dreams were realized, because those dreams would soon turn to nightmares, as their economy caved in.
I will be the first person in line at my precinct this morning. Now go log off and be the first person in line at your precinct!
> Informed self-interest would not cause the world to vote for Obama. Economically he is a basket case. His plans are suicidal for our economy. So if you’re talking about self-interest, this guy should scare the pants off anyone who deals with the United States
While I agree with your analysis, it doesn’t stop the plain fact that foreign nations would take a perverse delight in seeing America knocked down a peg or two. Even if it isn’t actually in their best interest.
Europe would love to see their Euro drive world trade.
China would love to see their products drive consumer demand.
Iran would love to be able to run amuck against Israel with impunity.
While foreign countries SHOULD be thankful for a strong America, most of them are childish enough to be ungrateful. Therefore if the rest of the world wants Obama for your President, you can bet dimes for donuts that it isn’t with your best interest in heart.
All the more reason to vote McCain.
If there is one thing we can be guaranteed, the Chicoms do not have our best interests at heart.
Red China, despite some economic opening, is fundamentally not motivated by such economic considerations --- this is a country that willfully mired itself in uneconomic Communist policies for decades. Before that, dynastic China had little interest in a thriving economy and certainly no interest in economic or social freedom.
Instead, Red China will gleefully exploit any weaknesses in the West (look at how it has expanded into Latin American and Africa), even if it nominally costs them some of the vast amount of dollars that they have captured.
The international left campaigns all over the world. When I address Europeans, I remind them that Americans hear arguments from both campaigns instead of just one.
I agree that it’s all the more reason to vote McCain. And look, we can disagree on what self-interest will cause nations to do, and what myopic unrealistic pleasures they might get from a U.S. in decline, but I am not convinced they are going to want to see China become the engine driving the world economy.
The United States for it’s flaws, is not a nation intent on conquering nations and subjugating their people. IMO, China is interested in conquering nations and subjugating their people. In time China will become a pariah nation.
You and I probably agree on a lot more than we disagree on. I think we probably dance around this issue, both understanding the pros and cons of the U.S.
I am not convinced our nation is without flaws. I’m sure we do drive other nations and citizens crazy at times. I guess that’s the way it will always be for a large nation vs smaller nations.
I appreciate that you’re here taking part on the forum. Take care.
I agree. I do think that China’s soft underbelly is that it is going to need trade to keep up it’s advancement. And if it becomes a world problem, there goes the trade.
Without trade, it will cave in on itself IMO. It has a certain need for income. It is banking on this trade continuing. When the U.S. and other nations find they can get cheaper labor somewhere else, China is going to be in a real world of hurt.
It may think it can spread it’s tentacles around today, and it will always be able to. I am not convinced of that.
The U.S.S.R. found out that global outreach wasn’t quite as easy when their economic house of cards came tumbling down. China is different, but I still think it is vulnerable.
I believe in and hope for a good and strong America even though I am not one. One reason is though is the creaping strenght of the EU wich is allways bullying us, so we as other independent and democratic nations need a bigh brother like the US to protect us.
But about the US´s problems, well they are great and daunting and I am afraid neither of the candidates is properly addressing them, at least not as a campaign point at any rate. McCain is though more likely to try to fix it, as the other has promised to make them vorse. You can see what I think are the most pressing US problems in the Vanity at the start of the thread. I would like to hear your views on my thoughts, best wishes,
Leifur
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