I am Baptist and not very knowledgeable on Roman Catholic polity. But I was wondering....why doesn’t the RC just excommunicate these two and others that violate RC beliefs?
How exactly can we get them excommunicated?
Had you looked back in history you would have found quite a number of millions of “tolerant” people
being helped into box cars enroute for concentration camps by the actors their “tolerance” enabled
I think a wake-up call is being dimly perceived by some - but by no means all- of the Catholic church hierarchy
They are already excommunicated by their own actions. A formal excommunication may take a long time to be issued simply because the Church moves slowly in such matters.
It’s kind of one of those innocent until proven guilty.
There is a chance at anytime that a person could repent, so it takes a lot to excommunicate.
I whish they would do it more often.
The Catholic Church is thoroughly infiltrated with Marxists who worship Karl Marx instead of God.
I know. I am a graduate of Villanova University and a former Catholic. I was and am disgusted! And...There is absolutely no way for the common believing people to reform this church.
They do, actually, it is called Latae Sententiae, the automatic excommunication of Catholics who renounce certain doctrine, or who are in serious violation of Catholic doctrine. One of these is the procuring of an abortion, or the performing of an abortion. Many Catholics aren't aware of this type of excommunication, but it is clearly written in the Catholic Code of Canon Law. Another situation that would cause the automatic excommunication of a Catholic would be a Catholic who apostacizes from the faith or who renounces the Pope as leader of the Church. There are other situations as well that would cause a latae sententiae excommunication.
I don't know for certain, but my guess as to why many of whom the Church knows are dissident are not publicly excommunicated is that it may violate their privacy and create a scandal in the hateful media. Just a guess. Another reason, of which I feel quite certain, is that the Church has been deeply infiltrated by liberalism, as has every other element of world society today. That said, I know that when a Catholic group has been publicly excommunicated it is almost never publicized in the media, (except when they feel it may embarrass the Church, of course). One such example is when Bishop Fabien Bruskowetz excommunicated a group of 'Catholics' who call themselves "Call to Action". In 2006 the Vatican confirmed the Bishop's excommunication of this entire group, but who knows except for a few informed Catholics?
The person must first publicly advocate a position in direct contradiction to church teaching.
Then, the pastor and/or bishop must learn of it.
Next, the pastor and/or bishop must issue a warning to the person.
The person must persist in his error, thereby demonstrating bad will, and not merely ignorance.
Only then would the bishops issue a public excommunication, and they would never do it lightly, or in public unless the person in question is publicly flaunting their defiance of God’s laws, thereby causing grave scandal to the faithful and potentially misleading others into the sin.
I’m a practicing Catholic. I’m also a catechist of 5th graders in my parish.
There is, and has been, a lot of soft headed liberalism in the Catholic Church. A great deal of it is left over from the 60’s. I hope that it’s starting to make it’s way out.
There is alos a great deal of “white, liberal guilt”. I think a residual of public schooling. As there is no litmus test requirement, there is no way to keep these people out the door.
There are non-practicing Catholics (who are still counted as Catholics), there are liberation theology types and there are also outright sabateurs (secular humanists posing as practicing Catholics), who mean to undermine the Church and it’s teaching. I would bet that Catholics United is one such group, along with Voice of the Faithful. If you looked at their policy position on down the line you would find that they were out of step with the Magesterium on many issues; marriaqge of clergy, gay mariage, etc.
Subversively undermining the Church and the teachings of the Gospels is at the heart of these issue.
According to Catholic teaching if one promotes or practices abortion they have already excommunicated themselves from the Body of Christ. A lot of folks don’t know this, even Catholics.
I don’t know that the Church has ever publicly cut someone off from the faith in modern times. I think they would like to reserve this for hardcore schismatics who obstinantly and recklessly lead the faithful away.
I believe Pelosi, and probably Biden, have achieved this criteria. They willfully and with intent, misinform people on the teachings of the Church. They lead the faithful away from Christ and they know what they are doing.
I believe that they should be publicly excommunicated.