Posted on 10/31/2008 4:44:35 PM PDT by justlurking
The Department of Health has released a statement about Senator Barack Obama's official birth certificate.
There have been talk among some chat rooms that Senator Obama was not born in Hawaii, or even America for that matter, and therefore is ineligible to run for the office of President.
There have been various requests for copies of his Hawaii birth certificate to the Department of Health, all which have to be turned down.
"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," said DOH Director Chiyome Fukino.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
Fukino adds that no state leaders, including Governor Lingle, has asked the certificate be handled in any way different from any one else's vital records in state possession.
My money says Frank is his daddy. That’s why he had to go to Hawaii the other day to make sure Grandma’s on the same page.
"Tangible interest" this is the trouble with the way that legislation is written. The judges decide what is 'tangible" unless it is defined in the statute. This is the stuff of law suits.
Raines v. Byrd, 521 U.S. 811 Appellees, Members of the 104th Congress, voted "nay" when Congress passed the Line Item Veto Act (Act), which gives the President the authority to cancel certain spending and tax benefit measures after he has signed them into law. The day after the Act went into effect, they filed suit against appellants, Executive Branch officials, challenging the Act's constitutionality....appellees allege that the Act deprives them of an element of their legislative power; as a factual matter they have a more direct and tangible interest in the preservation of that power than the general citizenry has. Cf. Coleman, supra, at 438 (concluding that state legislators had a "plain" and "direct" interest in the effectiveness of their votes); see also Hendrick v. Walters, 865 P.2d 1232, 1236-1238 (Okla. 1993) (concluding that a legislator had a personal interest in a suit to determine whether the Governor had lawfully assumed office due to substantial interaction between the Governor and legislature); Colorado General Assembly v. Lamm, 704 P.2d 1371, 1376-1378 (Colo. 1985) (concluding that the legislature had suffered an injury in fact as a result of the Governor's exercise of his line item veto power). On the other hand, the alleged, continuing deprivation of federal legislative power is not as specific or limited as the nullification of the decisive votes of a group of legislators in connection with a specific item of legislative consideration in Coleman, being instead shared by all the members of the official class who could suffer that injury, the Members of Congress. n3
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
I’ve read this paragraph ten times but I still can’t quite understand it. It could mean “Therefore, I and this other person, have personally seen Obama’s birth certificate”; or it could mean “Therefore, I and this other person, have personally seen TO IT and verified THAT an alleged birth certificate is on record with the State Dept. of Health.”
Has she actually said that she personally saw Hussein’s birth certificate?
Anyway, you might, of course be right: the BC might be real but it might state Frank Marshall Davis as the father. Wouldn’t surprise me. That might also explain the trip to Hawaii: Hussein doesn’t want to release the BC (because of the Frank Marshall Davis association) but wants to quell the rumors; so he paid a visit to Ms. Fukino and gave his permission for her to see the BC in order to verify its existence, as well as to make a vague statement to that effect to the press.
However, weren’t there statements by siblings or step-siblings confirming that they had witnessed the birth in Kenya? Just wondering.
Okay, just as soon as the ink is dry...
Ditto. I've always believed he was born in Hawaii. But that is not why the BC is being hidden. It's not his birth place that is problematic, it's the information shown on it.
His daddy isn't who he says he is, IMO.
How could Obama’s mother give birth in Hawaii when at the same time University of Washington records show her to be attending classes there?
We also adopted a girl from Korea 22 year ago in Hawaii. However, we obtained a Certificate of Live Birth right after her adoption which acts as her “birth certificate” and does state that she was born in Seoul, SK.
The State of Hawaii, in addition to having the COLB on file, also has a copy of her original Korean birth certificate which was in her paperwork package when she was brought into the US, and required as part of the adoption process.
Others here on FR have pointed out that Obama’s COLB is faked and is actually his sister’s COLB that has been photoshopped. I don’t know about that, but if so, it would indicate that he may have a COLB but one that shows he was born somewhere else.
Producing the documents makes all this conjecture go away and if Obama had nothing to hide (like John McCain), he would.
Already cast my early vote for Sarah here in TX. Hmmm, maybe I should go do it again..... :-)
YOU have just hit the nail on the head.
McCain had to provide his birth information to the United States Senate who then declared he was elgible to run. In the future everyone running should have to provide the necessary paperwork to the Senate to be certified IMHO.
Why didn’t they ask Obama?
not shall be eligible to run for the Office of President.
Strict interpretation may mean that it would only reach Constitutional Status if Obama were to win next Tuesday, so we will never find out.
I think we have a right to see passport travel as well if you are asking us to elect you President. Passport records should be open record for anyone running for President. If they cannot stand the heat, then don’t run!
Verifying that the Constitution of the United States is not being violated is not a vital interest to almost any US Citizen.
Except Obama apparently, who could order up certified copies and release them to the press, with a copy to each court where a lawsuit has currently been filed seeking that he produce it. Instead he's spent thousands of dollars fighting its disclosure.
This issue needs to be settled, either by the present situation, or for future ones. There MUST be a means to check qualifications for candidates. Voters have no legal right, as they have no standing. This seems to be common for various suits involving pols. This kind of crap can’t be allowed in the future. I still don’t know who he is, where he was born, is he natural born, what is his actual name etc. It could be something silly thaT HE IS HIDING, but he is setting a terrible precedent.
“I think we have a right to see passport travel as well if you are asking us to elect you President. Passport records should be open record for anyone running for President. If they cannot stand the heat, then don’t run!”
America is not asking too much to see the various entries on Senator Obama’a birth certificiate. Maybe Senator Pelosi-who promised the most ethical congress ever—could help us here.
Meeting the Constitutional qualification is plenty big enough. Everything else is speculation about what he might or might not do. Pretty good speculation in most cases, but either the Constitution is observed or it's not. This is not even a "depends on the meaning of is" sort of question.
Agree, but ain’t ganna happen before next Tuesday. After that, if he wins, ain’t ganna happen … if he loses (which I predict), won’t matter.
I would disagree with the attempt to parse it that far down.
For example, if a hospital is hiring a surgeon, they would check the authenticity of the credentials before offering a job. They would not hire the surgeon then check the credentials.
Likewise, if someone came to this country from Germany and it was obvious they were not a citizen, they would not even be considered.
The only reason this is an issue is that Obama is the first candidate whose credentials as a naturalized US Citizen are in question. Nobody seriously considered that someone like Barry Goldwater was ineligible because he was born in a territory before it became a state, or that McCain was not a naturalized citizen because he was born in the Panama Canal zone. US military personnel have their children born overseas all the time.
Barack Obama has kept his past shrouded in uncertainty, and has done so deliberately for some reason.
A major party candidate for President of the United states is not just "anybody".
Others here on FR have pointed out that Obama’s COLB is faked and is actually his sister’s COLB that has been photoshopped.
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Good suggestion...
I’ve mentioned a time or 2 that the “certificate number” is blacked oput and why ???
That would be a good reason...
Obama’s BC would have its individual number...
Sis would have a different number...
What is his cert number ???
Also, are there any documents showing where Ann really was at any one time ???
Old airline tickets, visas, passports with stamps, etc...
Cancelled checks, light bills, rent receipts, hotel bills etc
Surely they’re not all hidden...
No one is asking that everyone be allowed to see it, only a Federal Judge who could then make a determination.
So, no, we won’t and shouldn’t give it a rest.
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