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Obama Must Stand Up Now Or Step Down (Birth Certificate)
Conservative Edge ^ | October 29, 2008 | Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.

Posted on 10/31/2008 4:19:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This should be an issue that needs to be pursued until finally resolved with a real U.S. birth certificate or one from another country. Then all legal measures need to be taken to address this issue.


61 posted on 10/31/2008 5:32:00 AM PDT by kevinm13 (John 8:32: "And you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All this legal discourse will be trashed by Obama if he is elected. A tyrant uses Machiavellian tactics to suppress descent. Ex: Ferdinand E. Marcos dismissed legalists with his declaration of martial law for the Philippines in the mid 1960’s. Obama is a tyrant whose ends will justify his means. Loyal law enforcement institutions and military personnel will do his dirty work. All for the good of the nation. HA! Constitutional lawyers will eat his dust.
62 posted on 10/31/2008 5:33:57 AM PDT by Broker (VOTE McCain/Palin! !)
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To: jetson
LIMBAUGH, HANNITY....LETS GET THE WORD OUT!
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I understand your frustration. I am **furious** at Rush and Hannity for their handling of this birth certificate and citizenship matter.

63 posted on 10/31/2008 5:38:13 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Jim Noble
The final arbiter is the special joint session of Congress wherein the electoral votes are counted and appeals heard.

It would be nice if this were true. It would probably mean that Dick Cheney in his role of President of the Senate should have the final say. But the twentieth Amendment clearly anticipates that the person who comes out of that joint session as "President-elect," might fail to qualify. My reading of this is that some action is required on the part of the President elect to qualify. Logically this action would be to present proof to the Secretary of State (Rice) that he does qualify (just as we all have to present such proof to designees of the Secretary if we wish to obtain a passport). Beyond the Secretary stands the Chief Justice who must administer the oath. These pesky little formalities could save the Republic.

ML/NJ

PS I am familiar with other work of Dr. Vieira regarding Constitutional monetary history and have had an exchange or two with him. His work in the monetary area is probably the best the is.

64 posted on 10/31/2008 5:42:25 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
probably the best there is!
66 posted on 10/31/2008 5:46:24 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: F15Eagle

Hillary still would have electors... right? If Obama tanks?

Electors can actually cast their vote for anyone if Obama was found ineligible, as far as I remember.


67 posted on 10/31/2008 5:53:06 AM PDT by IreneE (Live for nothing or die for something.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama thrives of chaos and Bagdadbob/Saddam style auto-declarations of presidential merit. Afirmative Action functions like this. Now he probably would find it fair if foreigners and foreign agents could run for US office... his take on empowering the UN via US fund to bail out the world are typical of this mentality, all in the name of “poor and idiot proofing” “the World”.

It’s perfectly logical that he is not a US citizen, at least by sheer fiat of his emotionaly world inclined traitorous policies.


68 posted on 10/31/2008 5:56:36 AM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: Doug TX
(maybe you know something and would enlighten all of us)

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Snarky in the morning, aren't you?

What I know is this...

1. "obama has never proven his citizenship". Yeah? obama has a US passport.

2. After months of speculation nobody has provided any kind of evidence that he is not a natural citizen.

3. The election is in four days and there are more important, genuine issues to take up out time.

4. You are free to howl at the moon or chase your tail, just don't think that it will accomplish anything.

69 posted on 10/31/2008 6:01:17 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: GBA

If he loses the election, they might very well pull an Odinga on us. A self-declaration of Presidency based on cheating and racism, splitting the country into a civil war.

Iran/CHINA/RUSSIA dream of that and to nuke us in the process. It was Weatherunderground’s plan, wasn’t it?

How many clowns will self declare? The French Revolution was like that.


70 posted on 10/31/2008 6:02:38 AM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Outstanding!


71 posted on 10/31/2008 6:03:38 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (May GOD Bless America - Protect us from ourselves!)
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To: ConservativeGreek
This guy might be a lawyer, but the last time I looked the burden of proof is not on the defendant.

Except this is not a trial so 0bama is not a defendant, he is running for the highest office in the land.

He should be required to "prove" he is eligible to be the POTUS just like you have to "prove" you have insurance to drive a car

72 posted on 10/31/2008 6:04:56 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: wtc911

Just wonderin’ how come McCain coughed up his birth certificate when HIS eligibility for POTUS was raised... born in Panama City, Panama 1936... but then BObama doesn’t do the same?

Methinks this is one story that Hillary Clinton’s minions did NOT sniff out.

It is too twisted and fraught with Obama’s Muslim father and Muslim step father and Communist white Mother and Marxist father/mentor Frank Davis...

Hillary was known to like the Black Panthers in her day, so maybe this was just too radical for her to take on. But you bet that this is a story she did NOT stumble upon.

The fact that BO has admitted “dual Kenyan citizenship”... this in and of itself may make him ineligible — divided loyalties.

Someone needs to get BO’s passport information, why he had an INdonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 etc. , and how he got a new passport now. And when. After he was an elected official?


73 posted on 10/31/2008 6:07:35 AM PDT by IreneE (Live for nothing or die for something.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Let’s say you are choosing a physician to perform surgery. Your insurance company gives you two choices.

You want to make sure that the physician is a licensed surgeon and not just hold a general license. The physician refuses to show you his license and refuses to allow a copy of the license to be released.

According to this judge you do not have the right to ask for his license or to ask the courts to demand that he show you his license until you can show he botched the surgery.

Is this the rationale the judge used? You have no right to make sure the physician is properly licensed until he botches your surgery, even though the law states he must have a surgical license before he operates?

That is like saying that a home owner doesn’t have the right to have a burgler arrested unless they can prove he stole property.


74 posted on 10/31/2008 6:12:39 AM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: IreneE
You are making a lot of purely speculative assertions, such as...

"why he had an INdonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981"

Where is the proof of that?

75 posted on 10/31/2008 6:14:25 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: mtntop3
Excuse me, but hardly all.
76 posted on 10/31/2008 6:32:26 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: itsthejourney
On the other hand, he and his minions will open every record on the citizens if we dare to question him as Joe the Plumber made the mistake of doing.

Are you trying to scare the good people of America from doing what is right??? What is your agenda here????

77 posted on 10/31/2008 6:36:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OMG!!! Unless he can come up with prof and he will be asked repeatedly for it he will be from now on the USURPER.
Maybe this is how America is not mentioned in the end times because the Usurper destroys it.


78 posted on 10/31/2008 6:38:15 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: jetson

Frankly, I’m glad that Rush Limbaugh is complaining about Certifigate. It’s better than being completely ignored. There are some ‘kooks’ posting about Obama’s religion [me being one of them]. One in four DEMOCRATS in Kentucky don’t know he’s a Christian. That wasn’t due to talk radio, was it? The internet can drive an issue independently. Granted, it’s better when we’re backed up by talk radio, but we can do a lot without them.


79 posted on 10/31/2008 6:43:53 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We can win the economic meltdown debate: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2115485/posts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you for the thread. Linking it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2114092/posts?page=174#174


80 posted on 10/31/2008 6:46:08 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We can win the economic meltdown debate: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2115485/posts)
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