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The Other Side's Hypocritical Argument (Same Sex Marriage Means End To Parental Rights Alert)
ProtectMarriage.com ^ | 10/27/2008 | John Maxfield

Posted on 10/28/2008 9:59:18 PM PDT by goldstategop

It is simply amazing how the "No on Prop. 8" campaign is unwilling to stand up for what it believes. For a week now the campaign has said one thing; yet it believes something else.

What do I mean? Well, the "No on Prop. 8" campaign maintains that, if Proposition 8 fails, kids will not be exposed to same-sex marriage instruction in school; yet it maintains that gay marriage is a fundamental right. Huh? If gay marriage is a fundamental right, then it should be taught in school. Can you think of another fundamental right that is not taught in school? The campaign's dirty little secret? They know gay marriage will be taught in school and they are desperate to say anything so that we don't figure it out on our own.

In an effort to make sure we don't figure this out, they have now paraded the state education chief, Jack O'Connell, out to say that schools don't have to teach about marriage. Sadly, Mr. O'Connell hasn't told the whole truth. According to California Education Code Section 51933, if a school decides to teach a comprehensive sex education class to K-12 graders (and which school district doesn't?), "Instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships." Thus, marriage is taught in California schools.

Moreover, the California Safe Schools Coalition asserts that children will be taught in class about homosexuality and gender identity (read confusion). Please note that many of the members of the California Safe Schools Coalition are also supporters of the "No on Prop. 8" campaign, including the California Teachers Association, the ACLU (which actually argued in the Massachusetts case that the court should require the teaching of same-sex marriage in schools) and numerous other gay and lesbian organizations.

Interestingly, according to the coalition's Web site, the Capistrano Unified School District, Escondido Union High School District, Monterey Unified Peninsula School District, Palm Springs Unified School District, San Francisco Unified School District and the Ventura County Office of Education are all members of this coalition.

According to the coalition's Question and Answer Guide on California's Parental Opt-out Statutes, the coalition asserts that parents do not have the right to notice about and to opt their children out of diversity education programs that include discussions of sexual orientation or other controversial topics.

The coalition describes how a school district can develop a plan that will preclude parents from opting out of such teachings. According to the coalition, so long as the purpose and content of these diversity programs are "carefully articulated" and do not include sexually explicit content (i.e. discuss the human reproductive organs and their functions), parents are not entitled to prior notice and the opportunity to opt their children out.

In essence, the coalition's reasoning is precisely the same reasoning successfully used against the parents in the Massachusetts case where a federal appeals court held that the parents could not opt their kindergartner out of a class discussing tolerance of gay marriage. According to this reasoning, if Prop. 8 fails, same-sex marriage will be taught in schools.

We don't need to look any further than our own state to see how this will work. The implementation of this coalition's goals is already in progress in a charter school in Hayward. According to the Pacific Justice Institute, parents of a kindergartener at the Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science were shocked to see a poster announcing that "Coming Out Day" was to be celebrated at the school Oct. 23. The school chose not to tell parents ahead of time. The school is celebrating Gay and Lesbian History Month. During this celebration, the parents have noticed several posters promoting families, all of which depict only homosexual families.

Gay marriage will be taught in schools if Prop. 8 fails. Why doesn't the "No on Prop. 8" campaign come clean and say what it really believes will happen if Prop. 8 is defeated? If the campaign is so confident in its position that gay marriage is a fundamental right, then why lie? Now ask yourself: do you really want to support a campaign of this type of hypocrisy? If the answer is "no," then just vote "Yes" on Prop. 8.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008election; california; homosexualagenda; hypocrisy; johnmaxfield; liberalism; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; ocregister; parentalrights; proposition8; protectmarriage; publicschools; queerlybeloved; samesexmarriage; traditionalmarriage
This was a letter originally published in the Orange County Register this week. The point made by the author John Maxfield is a simple one. If same sex marriage is allowed to stand, it means an end to parental rights. The same people who say same sex marriage has nothing to do with what kids are taught in public schools are working hard to ensure parents will have no say over what their children are taught about sexuality and relationships in the public schools. Their manifest hypocrisy reveals what they are so anxious to hide from California voters. If they believe same sex marriage is a natural and moral relationship, they should be proud to show that to Californians. In point of fact, they don't.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 10/28/2008 9:59:19 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
If Prop 8 doesn't pass, California public schools will be teaching and promoting homosexual marriage to children as young as 5. As Gavin Newsom says, “Whether you like it or not!”
2 posted on 10/28/2008 10:05:46 PM PDT by 444Flyer (HELP SAVE MARRIAGE!!! Vote YES on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: P-Marlowe; goldstategop

This article is common sense. If gay marriage is a fundamental right, how can a public school avoid teaching it? If they can, then they can also stop teaching freedom of speech and of the press.


3 posted on 10/28/2008 10:11:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: goldstategop
Three NO ON 8 thugs were arrested in Roseville, CA today after a neighbor spotted them stealing a YES ON 8 sign from a yard shortly after midnight.

The neighbor called the police and provided a description of the purps and their car.

A cop was already following the car for suspicious activity. Their car truck had 59 YES ON 8 signs in it.

4 posted on 10/28/2008 10:16:58 PM PDT by GVnana ("I once dressed as Tina Fey for Halloween." - Sarah Palin)
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To: xzins

>>>Senator Sheila Kuehl has introduced Senate Bill 777. This bill would ban all instruction, school activities, instructional materials and even textbooks from “reflecting adversely” on homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenders and those who think they are the opposite sex<<<

SB 777 is already law, folks.

They’re lyin’ through their teeth.


5 posted on 10/28/2008 10:17:17 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat

god i hate the “no on 8 people”
Heck i hate all democrats.
I have a new chinese wife and she says you are prejudiced.
I reply, I am not prejudiced, i am hateful.
Obama, reid and pelosi are going to be very hard to take the next 2 years.


6 posted on 10/28/2008 10:29:16 PM PDT by genghis
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To: reagandemocrat
The current law:

https://id301.securedata.net/prochoicecalifornia/assets/files/finalq&a.pdf

Does the new law affect parental notification and consent policies?

Yes. The law recognizes that while parents and guardians overwhelmingly support teaching medically accurate, comprehensive sex education in schools, they are responsible for telling their children their values about human sexuality.

So, they may choose to withdraw their children from this instruction. But the new law makes the specifics of parental notification and consent easier and clearer. The school must notify parents or guardians at the beginning of the school year about planned sex education and HIV/AIDS prevention education.

Parents must be given an opportunity to review materials, and be given the opportunity to request in writing that their child not take part in that class.

Schools are not allowed to require parents to sign a permission slip or anything else to allow student into a sex education or HIV/AIDS prevention class.

7 posted on 10/28/2008 10:33:57 PM PDT by nufsed
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To: goldstategop

If the ‘carefully-articulated’ discussion is limited to the reproductive organs and their functions, then homosexual relations are, by definition, not part of the curriculum.


8 posted on 10/28/2008 10:42:19 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: self

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9 posted on 10/28/2008 11:02:28 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: goldstategop

Arm yourself with information and do battle!


10 posted on 10/29/2008 12:27:41 AM PDT by onedoug ( Barracuda!)
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To: xzins
If they can, then they can also stop teaching freedom of speech and of the press.

Why not? They don't teach RKBA, do they?

But seriesly, irrespective of this amendment, anyone who leaves their children in California's government schools is agreeing to the premise that the state owns them. As you observe, the statute is already passed for LBGTQ propaganda, and the courts have already ruled that parents have no right to be informed about or to object to what their children are taught.

Hello, y'all! What's it going to take?

11 posted on 10/29/2008 4:32:53 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'll give a cheesecake to anyone who asks a Palin-basher, "How many abortions have you had?")
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To: genghis

A local radio show host, Jim Franklin, who also pastors Cornerstone Church in the historic Wilson Theater in downtown Fresno, led a pro-prop 8 rally on Sunday. That night his church was egged, as well as his office (in a different location), and his HOME!

These people are thugs, and unless McCain wins the election, they will become as fearless as the brownshirts were in Nazi Germany.


12 posted on 10/29/2008 5:24:07 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: genghis

Gay marriage affects real marriage in the way counterfeit money effects real money: It dilutes, cheapens and demeans it.

Set up a counterfeit money ring and see just how fast the law reacts.

My 2 cents.


13 posted on 10/29/2008 10:57:13 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: nufsed

I’m sorry.

Why did you refer me to a 2004 NARAL Pro-Choice California pdf, regarding a totally different Senate Bill?


14 posted on 10/29/2008 12:00:04 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat
I'm out, but I saw your question. I don't understand it. I was e-mailing a priest yesterday who said some catholic scholar was supporting Obama because he was for reducing abortion because soicla justice would reduce pregnancies.

Seemed very strabnge for apriest to be suing that argument. I asked poster Salvation to provide some info to me for a reply and he linked me to Archbishop Caput (sp?).

That's all I have done on abortion recently.

15 posted on 10/29/2008 12:05:25 PM PDT by nufsed
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To: reagandemocrat

I’m tired of gay marriage for now. I answered you the best I could on the abortion link.


16 posted on 10/29/2008 12:06:17 PM PDT by nufsed
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To: goldstategop

Just look at what happened in Massachusetts.

As soon as Romnney went along with homosexual marriage, the homosexuals descended on the schools to encourage the kids to adopt homosexuality.

This included the kindergarten classes.


17 posted on 10/29/2008 12:12:03 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: nufsed

I’m tired of gay marriage, too.

Enjoy the rest of your day.


18 posted on 10/29/2008 12:12:53 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

>>>This included the kindergarten classes.<<<

“Whether you like it or not”


19 posted on 10/29/2008 12:19:33 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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