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Obama's faith is widely mistaken in Kentucky (do they think he's Christian?)
Lexington Herald-Leader ^ | 10/26/2008 | Jack Brammer

Posted on 10/26/2008 8:02:26 AM PDT by markomalley

FRANKFORT — Public misconception is widespread in Kentucky about Barack Obama's faith, a Herald-Leader/WKYT Kentucky Poll shows.

Despite heavy national media attention about Obama's faith, more than half of likely Republican voters — 54 percent — and one of every four Democrats in the state do not know that the Democratic presidential nominee is a Christian, the poll found.

The poll showed that 14 percent of likely Kentucky voters — 28 percent of Republicans, 4 percent of Democrats and 11 percent of independents — think Obama adheres to the Muslim faith.

"With all the media attention to the fact that Obama is a Christian, it is shocking and sad to hear that any Kentuckian or anyone thinks he is a Muslim," said Mahmoud Sha lash, imam of the Islamic Center of Lexington.

"I am concerned that some people are spreading this rumor for political purposes, trying to exploit the anti-Islamic sentiment in this country that ties Muslims with terrorists," Shalash said. "I don't blame the ignorant bigots as much as the educated people who try to perpetrate this."

The telephone poll of 600 likely voters was conducted Oct. 19-21 by Research 2000, of Olney, Md. It has a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

Those polled were asked the religion of Obama and his GOP opponent, John McCain. Respondents were not offered suggestions to choose from.

Sixty-one percent said Obama was a Christian. One percent answered Catholic, 12 percent said other and 12 percent were not sure.

Eighty-two percent said McCain was a Christian. Six percent called him an evangelical, while 3 percent answered Catholic, 2 percent replied other and 7 percent were not sure.

Del Ali, president of Research 2000, said he'd like to ask those respondents who said Obama is a Muslim if they listen to syndicated conservative talk show hosts Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Ali also thinks many people know Obama considers himself a Christian but don't believe he is one. "That's a personal opinion from national polls I've seen on this issue," he said.

The non-partisan Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life says Obama's denomination is United Church of Christ and McCain, raised an Episcopalian, attends a Southern Baptist church. It also says Obama's running mate Joe Biden, is a Roman Catholic, and McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, attends several evangelical churches in Alaska.

Obama's campaign had little to say about the poll results.

"This election is about issues," said Obama spokesman Dan Leistikow. "It's about whether voters in Kentucky and across the country want another four years of the same failed policies that caused this economic mess and sent Kentucky job overseas."

Kentucky Republican Party Chairman Steve Robertson said the presidential candidates' religion has not been an issue in Kentucky. He said more Republicans than Democrats think Obama is a Muslim because Obama "has made an effort in Kentucky to portray his religious beliefs to Democrats but has not talked about religion to Kentucky Republicans."

Robertson said he was referring to fliers the Obama campaign distributed in Kentucky this spring during the Democratic primary election that showed Obama at a pulpit in front of a church's cross and pipe organ.

The erroneous perception that Obama is a Muslim might be due in part to the fact that he spent part of his childhood in a Muslim country and that his father was a Muslim, said the GOP official.

Obama's name makes some people think he is a Muslim, said Walter A. Johnson, director of information services for the Lexington Theological Seminary.

"I had a friend who said Obama is a Muslim because of his name," Johnson said. "I said McCain has an Irish name, but I think he's an American."

Republican Larry Forgy, who narrowly lost to Democrat Paul Patton in Kentucky's 1995 race for governor, said Obama's heritage is why some people think he is a Muslim.

"I know he's not a practicing Muslim but, to me, his preacher, Jeremiah Wright, sounds more like Malcolm X than Billy Graham."

Wright is the former pastor and now pastor emeritus of the Trinity United Church of Christ, a megachurch in Chicago with about 10,000 members.

His manner of preaching has been scrutinized in connection with Obama's campaign. Obama first denounced some of Wright's statements and then resigned his membership in the church last May.

Martin Cothran, senior policy advisor for The Family Foundation of Kentucky, a conservative activist group based in Lexington, said he is "surprised that so many people don't know Obama is not a Muslim."

"I think it's simply because his name sounds Islamic," he said.

Laila Al-Qatami, communications director for the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Washington, D.C., said it is "disheartening" that any American still thinks Obama is a Muslim or Arab.

"Too many people associate Muslims with terrorists, that is, a proclivity to violence or people who are not patriotic to this country," Al-Qatami said. "Calling Obama a Muslim is an attempt to discredit him."

The Herald-Leader/WKYT Kentucky Poll found little confusion among voters about McCain's faith. More than 80 percent of the respondents in each major political party — Democrats, Republicans and independents — said McCain is a Christian.

A large percentage of whites and blacks — 83 percent of the whites and 77 percent of the blacks — said McCain is a Christian

But for Obama, blacks and whites viewed his religious beliefs very differently. When whites were asked Obama's religion, 58 percent said Christian, 16 percent Muslim, 1 percent Catholic, 13 percent other and 12 percent not sure.

Eighty-two percent of blacks said Obama is a Christian, while only 2 percent of blacks considered him a Muslim.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
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To: markomalley
Well, O says he's a Christian, at least when he's not on George Stephanopoulos' program letting slip about his Muslim faith... which he has never repudiated or denied. It would be very simple for him to deny one of the five pillars of Islam to settle the matter of him being a Muslim still or not. "Mohammed was not the messenger of Allah, and the Qu'ran is not Allah's word." C'mon, would saying that be so hard for a "Christian"?

I can't know what's in his heart and am well aware it's not my place to judge, but to my eye:

o At best he seems to be one of those anything-goes faux Christians who believe that Jesus fellow was one great guy but you can get to heaven any number of ways if you just be nice to your neighbors, be tolerant, patriotically pay your confiscatory taxes, and don't kick the cat.

o At worst he's a walking textbook of al Taqiyyah, the Muslim practice of deception to advance Islam. Or its Communist equivalent.
61 posted on 10/26/2008 9:05:42 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([In the primaries, vote "FOR". In the general, vote "AGAINST". ...See? Easy.])
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To: Lancey Howard
homosexual

Are you saying he's RIDIN' DIRTY, or simply a lowdown?

62 posted on 10/26/2008 9:07:05 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: ETL

“Is Obama currently a muslim” is a different question that was he EVER raised as a muslim.

The evidence is that he was. He was enrolled in school as a muslim, attended koran class (where he says he goofed off), and he can still recite the Islamic call to prayer in arabic.

But his website denies he ever was a muslim.

They claim he has ALWAYS been a Christian even though his mother was non-practicing and brought texts of all religions into the home and married 2 muslim men. He claims he is skeptical of organized religion because of what his mother taught him.

He has said that he came to Christ through Pastor Wright. So what was he before he became a Christian as an adult?

And who among us see Pastor Wright as preaching the Christian message?

And now that he has abandoned Pastor Wright and the church in Chicago, where is he attending? Who is his pastor now? Do his kids still go to Sunday school?

It would be much easier if he would come clean about his secular humanist belief system. But he wants to deceive those who still cling to religion.


63 posted on 10/26/2008 9:07:20 AM PDT by weegee (If we're gonna share wealth, those earning > $1 a month are going to have to share with the world.)
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To: Cicero

There is no 12th Imam. Islam is a sham cooked up by a conquering warlord. It is a death cult that seeks to reign by theocracy.

The antiChrist may not have been Mohammed, but Mohammed was an antiChrist figure who acknowledged the existence of Jesus Christ while at the same time denying Him and deliberately leading the flock astray.


64 posted on 10/26/2008 9:10:53 AM PDT by weegee (If we're gonna share wealth, those earning > $1 a month are going to have to share with the world.)
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To: gidget7

There was no choice list, which is why Catholic was not considered “Christian” and “evangelical” was also considered a faith unto itself.

Certainly Pastor Wright’s unHoly Church of GDAmeriKKKa is not Christian, if Catholicism and evangelicism aren’t.

Atheist, Secular Humanist, and Unitarian were not listed options but Barack Obama is more any of these 3 than Christian.


65 posted on 10/26/2008 9:13:47 AM PDT by weegee (If we're gonna share wealth, those earning > $1 a month are going to have to share with the world.)
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To: weegee
Right, Obama's "church" of more than twenty years is NOT Christian. The pope repeatedly denounced Liberation Theology as anti-Christian Marxism.

Details at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2115645/posts?page=33#33

66 posted on 10/26/2008 9:27:24 AM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: BenLurkin
That "church" he (sometimes) attended in Chicago was NOT teaching Bible based Christianity. It was some kind of weird racist political organization.

Of course not, Christians know that the Bible DOES NOT teach any "black (white, yellow, brown, etc.) liberation", but it does teach LIBERATION through the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

67 posted on 10/26/2008 9:32:44 AM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Ice T says that in the black community it’s called being “on the down low”.


68 posted on 10/26/2008 9:35:21 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: markomalley
Despite heavy national media attention about Obama's faith, more than half of likely Republican voters — 54 percent — and one of every four Democrats in the state do not know that the Democratic presidential nominee is a Christian, the poll found.

The poll showed that 14 percent of likely Kentucky voters — 28 percent of Republicans, 4 percent of Democrats and 11 percent of independents — think Obama adheres to the Muslim faith.

He attends the so-called Rev. White's church which is Christian in name only. He has Islam in his background but the closest he comes to being a muslim is hanging out with Calypso Louie. And Louie's so loopy even the Wahabbists keep him at arm's length.

So in reality, Obama is......nothing.

69 posted on 10/26/2008 9:45:49 AM PDT by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: Lancey Howard

Rapper 'Ludacris'

Lyrics to Ludacris' get out and vote for Obama rap song:
Title: "Obama Is Here"

"With a slot in the President's iPod, Obama shouted him

Said I handled my biz and I'm one of his favorite rappers

Well give Luda a special pardon if I'm ever in the slammer

Better yet put me in office, make me a Vice President

Hillary hated on you so that bitch is irrelevant

Now Jesse talkin slick and apologizin for WHAT~?!

If you said it then you MEANT it how you want it, head or gut

And all you other politicians tryin to hate on my man

Watch us win majority vote in every STATE on my man

You cain't stop what's 'bout to happen, we 'bout to make history

The first black President it's destined and it's meant to be

The threats ain't fazin us, the nooses or the jokes

Get off your ass black people it's time to get out and vote

Paint the White House black and I'm sure that's got 'em terrified

McCain don't belong in ANY chair unless he's paralyzed

Yeah I said it cause Bush is mentally handicapped

Ball up all of his speeches and just throw 'em like candy wraps

Cause what you talkin I hear nothin even relevant

And you the worst of all 43 Presidents

Get out and vote, or the end'll be near

And the world is ready for change cause Obama is here

YEAHHH! Cause Obama is here

The world is ready for change cause Obama is here

Yeahhhh, cause Obama is here

Say world is ready for change cause Obama is here

Hey!

http://lyrics.rapbasement.com/Ludacris_Politics%20(Obama%20Is%20Here)_lyrics_2129.html

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

You will not believe these interviews!

Howard Stern: Sal Interviews Obama Supporters in Harlem
[Caution: F-word used occasionally]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg

70 posted on 10/26/2008 9:48:32 AM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: markomalley
I would argue, strongly, that Obama is not a Christian. I don't know what he is, but he's not a Christian.

To believe Obama is a Christian, one would have to believe that the Marxist, Black Liberation Theology, is a Christian theology, but there's nothing Christ-like about its inherent racism and hate.

To believe Obama is a Christain, one would have to believe swearing allegiance to the Black Value System is the equivalent of a baptism, a sacrament Obama never received.

Like I said, I don't know what Obama is, but I know he's not any kind of Christian I ever heard of.

71 posted on 10/26/2008 10:00:58 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: gidget7

It should be spelled chr-ISLAMIC.

There is no way our Savior would have spoken like Jeremiah Wright.


72 posted on 10/26/2008 10:20:32 AM PDT by Loud Mime (The good news: We can still buy guns and ammo - get them while you can!)
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To: markomalley

obama is very likely agnostic. you’d pretty much have to be to have his sort of views on abortion.


73 posted on 10/26/2008 10:29:13 AM PDT by rightwinggoth
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To: markomalley

Smart people, smarter than this Brammer guy..


74 posted on 10/26/2008 10:51:58 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: weegee

Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that there IS or will be a Twelfth Imam. I mean to say that Obama clearly THINKS that he is some kind of Messiah, and that Iranian Shiites are expecting a Twelfth Imam.

Islam is a heresy. No way to reconcile it with the Bible, which it drawns on but fatally distorts.


75 posted on 10/26/2008 10:57:37 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: markomalley

Obama is an atheist !!!

“it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion” Barack Obama
“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.” Karl Marx


76 posted on 10/26/2008 11:05:14 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: markomalley

The article said — “Eighty-two percent of blacks said Obama is a Christian, while only 2 percent of blacks considered him a Muslim.”

AND..., I would say that about 99% of the Muslims in the world think Obama is a Muslim... LOL...

Consider that the Muslim world considers it *extremely offensive* (to the point of putting people to death) for *anyone* to convert from a Muslim to Christianity (and if you grew up in a Muslim home, that counts as far as they’re concerned).

Since the Muslims are not rioting about Obama becoming the President of the United States (and being the head of the military that is engaged in Muslim lands) and that Obama has *converted* to Christianity — that pretty much shows that they believe that he’s still a Muslim and is only practicing the doctrine of Takkiya (the doctrine of prescribed lying in the Islamic faith to mislead the infidel) — in order to gain control of the country of America (for the Muslims...).

“The reason that muslims are able to spread is that they use devious stratagems. They lie for their religion constantly pretending peace as a way to divide and conquer. This is known as al-taqiya and is a legitimate form of war for muslims. This Takkiya is a deception that muslims use constantly in the west to achieve their real aims of Islamic power.”

from http://www.finalcrusade.com/


77 posted on 10/26/2008 11:12:27 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: markomalley; Antoninus

78 posted on 10/26/2008 2:16:32 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: realcleanguy; Antoninus

79 posted on 10/26/2008 5:04:40 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: realcleanguy

Exactly! God’s Word states to say you know or love God and not obey Him, is to be a liar and not have the truth in you.
It is impossible to sanction the murder of an unborn child, support the homosexual agenda, and most of all deny that Jesus Christ is THE ONLY WAY to live in a right relationship with God. I would challenge anyone to get these words out of Barak Hussein Obamas mouth. “Jesus Christ was God Almighty, clothed in human flesh, and is the ONLY MEDIATOR, between man and God. He is etenally existent, was born of a virgin, was crucifed and died for the sins of the world, and on the third day arose from the dead.” This is a must for anyone to be defined as a genuine Christian.


80 posted on 10/26/2008 5:17:30 PM PDT by evangmlw
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