Howard Jarvis Taxpayer Association's 2008 Ballot Recommendations

Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association ^ | October 24, 2008 | Jon Coupal

[Czar]

T A X P A Y E R U P D A T E

. . . from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association (www.HJTA.org)

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HJTA's 2008 Ballot Recommendations

Propositions 1, 3 and 10 on this November's ballot, if approved, will add another $32 billion -- including interest -- to our alreadysubstantial debt burden. Vote no on Propositions 1, 3 and 10.

With state and local governments massively in debt, HJTA also urges voters to reject all local bonds.

HJTA recommends approval of Proposition 11. This will make legislative elections more competitive and politicians more responsive to average voters.

[Czar]

Proposition 11 is an issue, at least for me and calcowgirl, and perhaps a few others.

[americanophile]

I marked my sample ballot earlier in the week. It seems HJTA and I are in complete agreement.

[pogo101]

Same here, this time.

[SoConPubbie]

Proposition 11 is an issue, at least for me and calcowgirl, and perhaps a few others.

Don't leave us hanging here, WHY?

[Czar]

Comments?

[Czar]

Since her reasoning pulled me off the fence on Prop. 11, I would prefer to let her recap her reasoning when she responds to my ping. In the unlikely event she misses this, I will reluctantly attempt to dig up her prior post on Prop. 11.

[So Cal Rocket]

My ballot is marked:

1A - No
2 - No
3 - No
4 - Yes
5 - No
6 - No
7 - No
8 - Yes
9 - Yes
10 - No
11 - Yes
12 - Yes

[rivercat]

In case anyone missed it... Here’s Tom McClintock’s take on the CA Propositions: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110868/posts

The summary:

Prop. 1A High Speed Rail Bond. NO
Prop. 2 Farm Animals. NO
Prop. 3 Hospital Bond. NO
Prop. 4 Parental Notification. YES
Prop. 5 Non-violent drug offenses. NO
Prop. 6 Police and Law Enforcement Funding. YES
Prop. 7 Renewable Energy Subsidies. NO
Prop. 8 Defense of Marriage Act. YES
Prop. 9 Parole Reform. YES
Prop 10 Fuel Subsidies. NO
Prop 11 Redistricting. YES
Prop 12 Veterans Bond Act. YES

[dragnet2]

bttt

[Parley Baer]

I will review your list but on the surface it looks good to me.

[originalbuckeye]

Prop 5 advertises itself as a proposition that will save billions of dollars for Californians. Apparently it will spend billions of dollars for drug treatment programs and the ‘savings’ will come because the drug addicts will no longer commit crimes.

Huh?

[calcowgirl]

Here are some prior posts from newzjunkey, amerigomag, and me (one of which may be what influenced czar).

Helps moderates (hurts conservatives):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2107138/posts?page=8#8

Lefties supporting the measure:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2107138/posts?page=6#6

manipulated, convoluted:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107334/posts?page=26#26

Doesn’t include Congressional districts—Lefty districts get more protection through Voters Rights Act and “communities of interest”:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110868/posts?page=31#31

Moves process further from the public eye by giving to specially selected (unelected) group:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110868/posts?page=53#53

[goldstategop]

There are drug addicts who can be helped back. I don't think people should go to prison for addiction. But if they commit another crime to further their addiction, then yes, they should be punished with the full force of the law.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[calcowgirl]

YES on 4, 8, 12. I'm inclined to vote no on the rest.

1A - No
2 -  No
3 -  No
4 -  Yes
5 -  No
6 -  No
7 -  No
8 -  Yes
9 -  No
10 - No
11 - No
12 - Yes

[goldstategop]

Read the NO on 11 site. Its a who's who of leftist interest groups and the state Democratic Party establishment. I can understand why they oppose an admittedly imperfect reform or for that matter ANY reform. Keeping power is human nature and self interest overrides idealism here.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[calcowgirl]

From McClintock:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110868/posts

Prop. 5 Non-violent drug offenses. NO

The fatal flaw in this otherwise decent measure would allow criminals to use their drug offense
for leniency for other non-drug-related crimes.

[goldstategop]

If they commit non drug related offenses, they shouldn't get leniency. If you're just an addict though, prison is the wrong solution. These people need to be gotten off their habit. Having an interventionist, like in the A&E series The Cleaner, where William Banks helps people kick it, is a good start. But ultimately, its the person in trouble who has got to want to change. Keeping him out of the criminal court system won't help if he wants to hit bottom.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Publius6961]

Thank you for posting this.
For some reason, I could not find that site a few days ago.

I certainly don't take marching orders from any group or individual, but I have found it valuable to determine who supports any issue and usually vote the opposite (dems, unions, league of clueless voters, public employees, the welfare industry, teachers...).

We recalled Grey Davis for funding current spending with future obligations, bonds, and now the Arnold has done the exact same thing.
So we get to not only pay for uncontrolled spending, but we get to pay interest for the privilege.

No new bonds for me, thankyouvery much.

If I remember right, at least $17 billion in new bonds and interest are being proposed.

For me, it's YES on 4, 6, 8, 9 and 11

And NO on everything else!

[NormsRevenge]

Thank goodness I have a few days to vote yet.. You folks wear me out.. lol

I need to do more research.. and am not afraid to admit it.. I need a new dartboard. ;-)

[goldstategop]

Agreed. NO on new borrowing, bonds and debt! YES to parental notification, traditional marriage and competitive elections.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus