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Puppycide in Oklahoma (cop kills dog, says it attacked, owner releases surveillance tape)[Video]
Reason ^ | 10/23/08

Posted on 10/23/2008 4:31:28 PM PDT by LibWhacker

http://reason.com/blog/show/129620.html


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: cop; dog; donutwatch; selfping; shoots; video
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To: expatpat
It’s my understanding that the cops, if entering a home, will kill the dog first, just to avoid any problems from a protective, territorial animal. Tough, indeed, but you can see their point.

Not me

21 posted on 10/23/2008 5:21:47 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Neidermeyer
Airedales can be a little aggressive. They have been used as guard dogs and they are the largest Terrier.

With that said, the deputy was not being attacked. The dog had run past him by the time he shot. If that had been an attack, they would have been on the ground.

I want to know what charges are being brought against the deputy and the sheriff?

22 posted on 10/23/2008 5:23:54 PM PDT by magslinger (I am Joe.)
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To: expatpat
It’s my understanding that the cops, if entering a home, will kill the dog first, just to avoid any problems from a protective, territorial animal. Tough, indeed, but you can see their point.

This cop shot the dog in the driveway.

You think it's fine for cops to pull up into someone's yard and cap their dog?

23 posted on 10/23/2008 5:26:41 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

The deputy should be hung.

Yep.


24 posted on 10/23/2008 5:29:14 PM PDT by e_castillo
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To: LibWhacker
No, this was totally unnecessary.

It does indeed look like the cop was trying to impress someone (indeed, maybe himself!). My guess is it was a vain effort to maintain a half-inch h*rd-*n.

Shows bad judgment, and one wonders how he'll be able to maintain any rapport with people in that area/town.

More likely than not, if this guy's predilection of shooting first and answering questions later is not addressed forthwith by both the department and the town, this type of thing will come back to bite them in the ass big-time.

Just my $.02...

CA....

25 posted on 10/23/2008 5:29:38 PM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I believe too many of them use COPS episodes for training films.


26 posted on 10/23/2008 5:30:06 PM PDT by Peter Horry (Mount Up Everybody and Ride to the Sound of the Guns .. Pat Buchanan)
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To: Paladin2
What would happen if you stopped at a cop's house to ask for directions and shoot his dog instead?

Counter point question of the day. Well posed.

The cop should be fired at the very least, and then sued for every penny they can get.

27 posted on 10/23/2008 5:32:23 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: LibWhacker

LOL!


28 posted on 10/23/2008 5:33:59 PM PDT by Stimpson_J_Cat
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To: expatpat
"Tough, indeed, but you can see their point."

No, I can't see their point at all. First of all, they better have a valid warrant and announce their presence. We will then place the dog in a safe place. Crash your way in like jack booted thugs, and you take your chances--with the dog and with me.

29 posted on 10/23/2008 5:38:43 PM PDT by Czar ((Still Fed Up to the Teeth with Washington))
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To: Neidermeyer
This dog looked like an Aerdale ,,, not one of the common “bad boy” breeds ...

Definitely not a dog bred to be aggressive.

I don’t get that at all ,, a patrolman in a small town doesn’t know every single road in the county??

Not unnecessarily. I grew up on the end of a half mile dead end road. I don't I saw a police car more than a 100 yards down that road in the dozen years I lived there.

If an officer was called out to one of the houses living on a long driveway off of the road I have little doubt they would have had to stop and ask directions from one of the neighbors along the way. Notice that the house is a way back off of the main road. In such areas the mailboxes are often clustered together on the main road, not by each driveway. You often can't see house numbers from the road.

I think the dogs owner had it 100% right ,, he was playing big bad-ass for his relative...

Look at the video. He walks casually towards the house. Stops and pauses for maybe a second, then starts backing up. He barely gets his gun out before the dog gets to him, and shoots the dog at point blank and the dog is still charging at him when shot.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of premeditation there.

Despite what the dog owner said he also hadn't backed up far enough to get behind his car door, and it's pretty questionable if he could have gotten the door open and between him and the dog before it got to him unless he turned and ran immediately when it first came at him. Once he paused to evaluate the situation and started backing up, it appears to me the opportunity to jump back in the car was lost.

The dog was being very aggressive. The dog didn't appear to be running up and stopping back a short distance and barking it's head off like dogs usually do. It was charging right at him and didn't appear to be slowing at all. It also looks to me like he shot the dog at pretty much the last possible moment.

His choices seemed to be to shoot or wait and see if the dog turned at the last possible moment, or if it wouldn't really bite him. Or to just take the bite since I don't thing this dog would have taken a big bite out of him. Of course that's easier to say in hindsight from the other end of a security camera than with the dog charging at you.

A dozen years ago I doubt many police officers would have shot the dog. Though I bet a lot of rural police officers back then also got bitten, and then the dogs go put down.

Pepper spray would have been a better choice, but it doesn't look like he had much time to consider his options.

I don't approve of what the officer did, but it also doesn't seem completely unreasonable to me either.

I feel sorry for the dog and the dog owner.

If this had been some teenage girl selling magazines I wonder if we would have heard about the mean dog biting the poor young girl. However since it's a big, tough police officer we just expect him to only react with force after the dog has bitten him.

30 posted on 10/23/2008 5:39:34 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: magslinger

I agree. The poor dog was running past the dam@ cop. I would be furious.


31 posted on 10/23/2008 5:39:48 PM PDT by therut
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To: LADY J

It gets better.

The cops put out their lie first and when they found out she had it all on video they offered her money for silence, then “advised” her not to ever show the video to anyone.

The whole sheriff’s department is complicit in this and all of them need to be fired and jailed.


32 posted on 10/23/2008 5:41:29 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: humblegunner

There’s a contingent of “cops can do no wrong” JBT boot-lickers here on FR who will tell you yes they certainly have that right.

They’re as big a bunch of morons as the idiot cops they defend.


33 posted on 10/23/2008 5:44:03 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: LibWhacker

There was no reason to shoot that dog, the cop is guilty! Send him to the pound!


34 posted on 10/23/2008 5:47:08 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Spreading manure around helps growth. Spreading wealth around creates manure)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

There’s a lot of ‘pro-cop’ instinct on the right. However, there’s clearly times when cops are acting bad. This is clearly one of them. In fact, the cop should do time.

If someone did that to my dog or cat, the cop had better go rushdie.


35 posted on 10/23/2008 5:51:34 PM PDT by MartinStyles
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To: Neidermeyer

Yep, I grew up in that part of the country and everybody there knows when you pay a visit to some stranger out in the boonies you wait a minute before you get out of the car to see if there are dogs, and if there are, you wait until the owner comes out and calls them off before you exit your vehicle. You DON’T just jump out of the car and start blasting away at the first dog you see. Country dogs tend to be more territorial than city dogs. It seems this damned pervert with his badge just wanted to kill a dog that day.

One poster at the website said, “Just more proof that if there were good cops they’d arrest the bad ones,” and I’ve gotta say I’m feeling a little receptive to that argument right about now.


36 posted on 10/23/2008 5:52:51 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: untrained skeptic

I watched the video for a second time. I believe that you are wrong. The dog was running toward the car, but not directly attacking the perp. Instead of spending time pulling his gun, he could have made it back to open the car door. I’d guess that he is not a (pet) dog person. The dog likely wanted to knock him over to lick his face. Whenever I approach an unfamiliar rural homestead and get out of the car, I first get the dog situation straightened out. Most dogs will let you out of your car, but there has to be a meeting of the minds first (this can sometimes take a couple of minutes).


37 posted on 10/23/2008 6:01:20 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Palin for President! (RINOs? PUMA))
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To: untrained skeptic

After reading you analysis, I went back and watched the clip - and I think you are wrong.

That dog did nothing more agressive than run up to lick him.


38 posted on 10/23/2008 6:07:24 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: untrained skeptic

You need to visit an optometrist if that’s what you saw on the video.

Who knows, maybe you have a big career as a baseball umpire ahead of you with eyesight that keen.....


39 posted on 10/23/2008 6:28:43 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: patton

This was just a rural kill for thrill shooting. Kind of makes me wonder where this deputy was when those two kids were shot on a rural road in Oklahoma last June. I know the counties aren’t exactly close, but state authorities might just want to check the ballistics on this deputy’s weapon.


40 posted on 10/23/2008 6:29:03 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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