Posted on 10/23/2008 4:08:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
What is the deal with Obama's birth certificate and citizenship status?
Pamela Gellers at Atlas Shrugs raises some apparent shenanigans with the birth certificate the Obama campaign previously produced. Meanwhile, Philip J. Berg, a former Deputy AG of Pennsylvania and a professed Hillary supporter, filed a lawsuit claiming Obama is not constitutionally eligible to be president; instead of simply clearing up any questions — which you would think would take about five minutes — Obama's lawyers moved to dismiss the suit and failed to file a timely answer, meaning that, under the applicable rules (according to Berg), Obama is legally deemed to have admitted Berg's allegations that he is constitutionally ineligible to be president.
Admittedly, I've ignored this issue up until now on the theory that if there was anything here worth looking at, surely the Hillary and McCain campaigns would have raised it. But this all seems very strange. It's not just a matter of whether Obama was born in Hawaii — Berg claims he wasn't, but most others seem to agree he was (though the publicly available proof seems shaky at this point). There is also the question whether he was also a citizen of one or more other countries (Kenya? Indonesia?) and whether that means, as a matter of law, that he could not be a "natural born" citizen as required by the Constitution.
Has anyone around here looked into this? Is it a serious issue, and why does Obama seem to be so squirmy about it?
“I want a different person in all 50 states to sue the Attorney General in that state to examine the eligibility question.”
I will be making some phone calls in the morning to get some answers! :)
Obama’s lawyers have filed a Motion to Dismiss on grounds Berg lacks standing.
And he does.
A good explanation here:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/mr-bergs-standi.html
Phil Berg is "The Right?"
And what would this "Set up" accomplish?
If 20% of Americans are aware of these FACTS I would be very surprised. And you realize of course that Obama worshippers will not allow the truth to penetrate so they consider anything negative about their messiah to be false. And these people vote! THAT should scare you even more.
This isn’t an issue for the courts. Under the Constitution, it’s decided by Congress-—IF a Senator or Representative submits a signed, written objection to the qualifications of the President-elect-—AFTER the Electoral College votes are counted.
Not gonna happen.
That said, the fact that the courts won’t decide this question is separate from the fact that, IF there is evidence that is relevant to Obama’s qualifications or fitness for office, that can be “decided” by the public.
“I just can’t believe this!!! Aren’t our AG’s supposed to be representing all of us?? I for one am going to be contacting every official in my state with any authority demanding an explanation for their silence on this issue. If millions of us did this, would it matter?”
I sure think it would matter if lots of folks made lots of phone calls to State Officials! I will be joining you and will be making lots of calls here in Florida tomorrow morning! :)
These lawsuits generally are going to have standing problems.
(explanation here: http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/mr-bergs-standi.html )
However, I guess they could still find info that could lead to an objection to Obama taking office.
It does seem that Obama could clear this up fairly easily. I don’t know why he would want this story to fester out there.
I hadn’t heard that theory. That is interesting.
I wonder if Barry ever registered under the Selective Service Act? Anyone seen anything on that?
If Obama legally changed his name, it would be fairly easy to pinpoint about when he did so and then try to find the court order.
This has probably already been posted but did anyone hear Berg say on a radio show there’s a recording of Obama’s grandmother claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya? The only problem is it’s not in his hands yet and that’s sounds too much like API but such a tape would be far more devastating if it truly exists.
Out of fairness to all parties the judge could still allow discovery to move forward even if he's leaning toward dismissing the case. That's what I'm hoping he does since it would force Obama's and the DNC's hand.
Welll . . . if there’s no standing, usually a judge won’t allow anything to go forward. You can’t fix standing and you can’t “be a little pregnant.”
I’m not saying a judge couldn’t find some reason to allow some action, but I doubt it.
The plaintiffs have to find some othe way to reach the factual issues, besides the question of whether Obama is qualified under the Constitution to be President. I haven’t followed this at all, so no idea what those ways might be.
Or ...one might argue that Michael Weiner read Andy's article. I think the latter is more likely.
Hey, remember in Obama’s comedy act the other night, one of his jokes was about how his middle name was really Steve?
He led into that joke by saying something like “Whoever gave me my middle name obviously never thought I’d be running for President.”
At the time it struck me as quite odd that he would say “whoever named me”-—as if his mother didn’t name him or whatever. It was just weird.
Put that together with your post and it occurred to me that a lot of people who gravitate to the ideologies that have always captured Obama’s imagination OFTEN rename themselves with Muslim names. So, as you raised, who knows? Maybe Barack decided to change/use his father’s name for some reason like that.
Was Obama Sr.’s middle name Hussein?
I don’t know why he would want this story to fester out there.>>
That’s what doesn’t make sense. The rest of the country is suffering. He’s got over 600 million dollars and wants his supporters to give more, and yet he’s throwing a lot of it away on lawyers just so he doesn’t have to show his official birth certificate. Even if it was just to ease the nation’s fears it would be worth it.
Unless..... you WANTED to fan the flames of disrust in the system, which is exactly what the Cloward-Piven Plan is about. Forcing a crisis so an overthrow of the democracy is justified.
It sounds crazy. But I’ve read SOOOOOO much information on Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, The New Party, Cloward-Piven, KGB, Weather Underground, etc, that it doesn’t sound beyond them. The only thing better than an undisputed Obama presidency would be an Obama presidency ushered in by the communist rabble rising against Main Street America.
Honestly, though, I don’t think he was born in Hawaii. And I think Andy Martin actually has the greater likelihood of getting results because his is an emergency request for the HI Supreme Court to mandate the release of the records. Hawaii’s rules don’t insist that the person him/herself release the information. The information can be released for anybody who has a vital interest in what’s on the document.
And the Hawaii officials also insisted that Andy Martin could only operate in person, which is why he’s there in Hawaii. So Obama would also have to operate in person. Over at strata-sphere someone had been to an Obama rally where she was told that Obama went to Hawaii to deal with the birth certificate issue.
No,
unlike other conservative sites NRO isn’t considered fringe, though.
Sometimes from what I've read the discovery evidence can actually be useful in the determination to move forward or not though having a lack of standing might mean discovery isn't relevant to the case. We'll just have to wait and see, hopefully he rules tomorrow.
No! I completely agree with you! It’s all about how it appears to the supposedly undecided voters.
If that is indeed the law in Hawaii, and the case is in state court, not federal, okay, maybe this could get somewhere. I could see construing a "vital interest" in a official record as somewhat different than "standing," which requires that the plaintiff have a legally cognizable harm. Another poster on this thread suggested maybe the problem is not so much citizenship, but that the BC shows Obama was given a different name at birth, which would mean he took on the name Hussein Obama later in life for some reason. Who knows, if there's something here, maybe it is something he finds personally "embarrassing" or not readily explained.
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