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To: The_Tick_01

I really tried to understand this. Why does this matter? If his Mom is a citizen doesn’t that make him natural born regardless of certificates? Sorry for being so slow.

Or does this just go to a cover up which would be one more of a million pieces of evidence that we don’t know who this guy is?


16 posted on 10/23/2008 8:04:29 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: Rippin

If Obama was born in Kenya regardless if his mother is a citizen he is not eligible to be the POTUS under the constitution...

It would require an Amendment.... Which is potentially the reason for delay and the play would be get him elected first by legal wrangling the production of this cert then after he is elected deal with the Drama of amending the Constitution...


37 posted on 10/23/2008 8:11:51 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Night of the Obama Zombies (Premier 11/04/08. Coming to a neighborhood near you))
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To: Rippin

Normally, you are right. But the requirement for the time Obama was born was that if one parent was a citizen and one wasn’t (as Obama Sr), then the citizen must have lived in the US for at least 10 years, five of which over the age of 16. She was 18 when Obama was born.

Also, if Hawaii allows for Birth certificates to be issued later on if the child was born outside Hawaii and the parent was a Hawaii resident for at least a year prior to the birth. Now if it would show the place of birth, that’s another issue.


41 posted on 10/23/2008 8:13:22 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Rippin
"If his Mom is a citizen doesn’t that..."

NO

"...that we don’t know who this guy is?"

Correct.

44 posted on 10/23/2008 8:14:44 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Rippin

OR..

The long form BC lists Obama religion as a MUSLIM... since he said he is not a MUSLIM it would make him a liar.... Saying that you converted to Christianity would have been the smartest move but since he didn’t its too late now..

OBAMA born a MUSLIM...


50 posted on 10/23/2008 8:16:29 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Night of the Obama Zombies (Premier 11/04/08. Coming to a neighborhood near you))
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To: Rippin

No, mom being a citizen does not make Barry Sorryetoe a citizen...

if Barry was born in Kenya (one allegation...supported by statements from his relatives in Kenya)

if mom was not 4 years past 18 and living in America all of those years...which she was not

if Barry was taken to Indonesia and adopted by his Indonesian Step-father to get him into school and society
(Indonesia had purged its White European Dutch and other citizens....sent them back to Holland after 200 years of residence there...I know this from a friend who was put into a camp and deported to Holland as a child)

IF....etc

Barry refuses to answer these questions and the DNC and the Media will not ask because....????


61 posted on 10/23/2008 8:20:57 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: Rippin

my earlier reply was not totally accurate...try this:

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html

Barack Obama — Date of Birth: 4 August 1961

4. December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.
If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.


76 posted on 10/23/2008 8:32:33 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: Rippin

He had to be born in the US.


84 posted on 10/23/2008 8:42:49 AM PDT by stockpirate (let the market work.. then just tax the heck out of people at the end and just redistribute it,BHO)
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To: Rippin

It Matters. Constitutionally, when he was born in 1961, his mother would have had to live in the USofA for 5 years AFTER her 16th birthday for her baby to be a NATURAL BORN US Citizen. She was 18 when he was born. She didn’t qualify, he is ONLY a US Citizen IF he was born in the USofA and IF he reapplied for US Citizenship through NATURALIZATION because he was ADOPTED by Lolo Soetoro and given Indonesian Citizenship so that he could attend school in Jakarta, Indonesia (they only allow Indonesian Citizens to attend school).

So Barry’s LEGAL FATHER is not Obama Senior, it’s Lolo Soetoro. Barry’s LEGAL NAME is Barry Soetoro. His birth father is not his legal father. Yet he wrote (or Ayers wrote for him) a book about his “sperm donor” father.

When Lolo adopted Barry, ANY records in Hawai’i were SEALED. He lost his US Citizenship. He MIGHT have been able to convince the Courts that he wanted US Citizenship back IF HE WAS BORN IN THE USofA after the age of 18 had he filed with the US Courts (Hawai’i, probably). BUT, at the age of 19/20, he applied for a Passport to go to Pakistan using his Indonesian Birth Certificate. By THAT ACT, he declared himself an Indonesian Citizen and NOT a US Citizen.

How do we know he used his Indonesian BC? Pakistan, in 1981 was under Martial Law and NO US Citizens were allowed to visit. Barry’s books clearly state he visited unknown persons and his college roommates (who were Muslim) during his visit to Pakistan in 1981 during his “round the world tour.”

There is documentation from Barry’s Kenyan Grandmother that she and another female relative were in the hospital in Kenya when Barry was born. Jerome Corsi was deported by Kenya because he was investigating Barry’s Kenyan birth.

Raila Odinga and Barry Obama are using the same play-book to wrest control of their respective governments. Expect similar riots with banners saying “No Barack, No Peace” as major cities are trashed by Obamabots. That play-book? Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

John McCain was born to two US citizens on a US Naval Base in Panama when Panama was under US Control. THAT designates him a Naturalized US Citizen.


89 posted on 10/23/2008 8:49:02 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (All You Need is Money [Soros] and a Candidate Who Can Be Coached to Look Sincere [Obama]. A. Huxley)
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To: Rippin

I’m sure someone already showed you this by now but, in order to be President you have to be born on American soil, citizenship of your mother doesn’t matter. Hence, “Natural born Citizen”.


131 posted on 10/23/2008 1:18:20 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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